My Testimony

By | November 5, 2013

I share this testimony in the spirit of friendship to any fellow seeker of Christ.

I am a normal lay member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  I have no presiding authority to teach or command within the organization of the church.  Within the stewardship of the organization, I respect the authority of those presiding authorities, and I keep these experiences to myself.   I share unrestrained to my friends and my family. Spirituality and the gospel are greater than any organization.

I served an honorable mission, married in the temple, and have a current temple recommend.  I have been and remain an active member of the LDS church.  I have no intentions of leaving it.

I have been asked to post this testimony here.  I hope that this will be a one-post declaration of the grace Christ has bestowed on me.  I have no intention to publicize this beyond a few family members and friends.  I am not a great example.  I have no secret to share that has been hidden.  All I can do is testify that knowing Christ literally is possible.  This is not a full record of my experiences, but what I share here did happen.

Background

I started college at BYU as a freshman in 1994.  I had one full school year before my LDS mission.  During that freshman year, I took up reading the Book of Mormon for a half hour every day.  I soon recognized an invitation to know the Lord personally as did Lehi, Nephi, and many others contained within that book.  This invitation to know the Lord is explicitly made in D&C 93:1.

D&C 93:1 Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;

The invitation in this scripture impressed me so much that I included it on my missionary plaque.  From that time, seeing His face and knowing the Lord has been my goal.  I sought after this goal for nearly 18 years.  This desire has not been merely a new whim.  I am not a kindergartner seeking a crash course in calculus.

Joseph Smith taught “for God hath not revealed anything to Joseph, but what He will make known unto the Twelve, and even the least Saint may know all things as fast as he is able to bear them, for the day must come when no man need say to his neighbor, Know ye the Lord; for all shall know Him (who remain) from the least to the greatest.’ ” Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 149.

I believed him.

I didn’t have a name for what I went through during that period at BYU until many years later.  Though I was baptized by water when I was 8, it was during that year, at age 18, that I received the Baptism of Fire and the Holy Ghost.

This is how in 2012, I found myself pleading for truth and wisdom.  That prayer led me to a book called The Second Comforter: Conversing with the Lord Through the Veil by Denver C. Snuffer Jr.  I recognized The Second Comforter as a manual.  I saw in it many experiences that I had already gone through. It was like a map.  From reading it I saw where I had been on the path, where I was, and what else I could expect to experience.  It was then a simple matter of pondering, identifying, and working on the areas I had identified.

My Witness

On April 14, 2012, I was carried away into the heavenly temple.  I shook the hand of the angel that was my guide.  I saw and heard the Father and the Son speak to me.  This experience involved sight, touch, sound, and smell.  It was as real as anything I have experienced in my day-to-day life, only the glory and intelligence conveyed is indescribable.  This was not my last encounter beyond the veil.

I am a witness that Jesus Christ lives.  He is a real, knowable person.

If you seek and accept His messengers to prepare the way, He will come suddenly to His temple and reveal to you His glorious body of burnings.  He is talkative.  He wants to know you more than you want to know Him.  I know this because I have experienced this as a man speaks to another.

Jesus Christ is the Second Comforter. He literally came to me and has comforted me.

This is not a full statement of my witness.  I share my testimony so that you may know that Christ lives and His work is to save imperfect people.  I hope that this testimony will allow you to exercise faith enough to lay hold on these blessings.

The Doctrine of Christ

The path to knowing Him is simple.  The Book of Mormon calls it the Doctrine of Christ.  It is faith, repentance, baptism, and then to actually receive the Holy Ghost.  Once you have actually received the Baptism by Fire and the Holy Ghost you must do everything the Holy Ghost says until Christ manifests Himself to you.  This is the end or goal to which we endure.  It is to know Him literally.  He has a ministry to accomplish with you personally.

You cannot get there by following any program or man.  It is a matter of working on what one thing the Holy Ghost tells you to do each day.  We are commanded to press forward to this goal with steadfastness.

2 Nephi 31:20 Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.

If you are expecting to know Christ in death when you have not known Him in life, you will be disappointed.  While being martyred, Stephen would not have been welcomed by Christ in His glory had Stephen not known Christ in his life.

Alma 34:32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. 33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed. 34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.

The Book of Mormon contains this doctrine within its first six verses.  Page after page, example after example, we can see how normal people had the desire and faith to know the Lord while in the flesh.  Study Nephi’s last discourse in 2 Nephi, especially chapters 31-32.  Study Moroni Chapter 7 and the ministry of angels.  Study the whole book with the idea of how you can obtain what the authors obtained.  They were not satisfied until they knew God while during their mortal lives.

The Lectures on Faith – A Neglected Treasure

I highly recommend the Lectures on Faith.  It is scripture and was accepted as such by all quorums and the general membership of the church.  It was edited, written, and approved by a man that had communed with Jehovah.  The Lectures on Faith set out in methodical form keys or knowledge to knowing Christ and His Father.

Without Faith There is No Ministry of Angels – A Key Offered

In the months that followed, a heavenly messenger came to my bedside and taught me from the scriptures, primarily the Book of Mormon and Isaiah.  This happened on three different nights over a period of two months, each time repeating the prior message and adding more.  The best one line summary of the hours-long conversation is “the Gentiles in the Book of Mormon should be understood as referring to the LDS”.  Please understand that this is a very inadequate summary.

Moroni 7:37 Behold I say unto you, Nay; for it is by faith that miracles are wrought; and it is by faith that angels appear and minister unto men; wherefore, if these things have ceased wo be unto the children of men, for it is because of unbelief, and all is vain. 38 For no man can be saved, according to the words of Christ, save they shall have faith in his name; wherefore, if these things have ceased, then has faith ceased also; and awful is the state of man, for they are as though there had been no redemption made.

Ask the Lord to show you what unbelief you have.  If you ask with a sincere heart, He will answer you.  A sincere heart means that you are willing to accept the answer no matter what it is without preconceptions.  Work on casting aside that unbelief.  This is the hard part.  We have accepted many traditions that are unbelief.  The Book of Mormon will be your key.  It was written to you, its reader.

In the period that has followed, my mind has been completely blown by the knowledge communicated from heaven.  I had to lay down long-held beliefs that were really philosophies of men.  A quality that is attractive to heaven is an openness to learning.  I have also learned that if Angels have not come to you, then it is because of some unbelief that you are holding onto.  Unbelief is more than not believing, it also includes belief in errors or incorrect belief.  You may not even be aware of what it is.  You may think it is truth when it is not.

Whose Connection to Heaven Matters?

To those who rely on others for their connection to heaven, the standing of any apostle, president, parent, bishop, or any other person, whether they commune with God or not, will not matter for your salvation.  What matters is your own connection to heaven.  If every person magnifies his calling and converses with the Lord, it will not matter to you if you do not do the same.  God is no respecter of persons; you cannot be in the same kingdom as Nephi, Lehi, Abraham, and others without having had the same experiences.  There is never any safety in following men.  Even followers of true prophets find themselves in the telestial kingdom (see D&C 76:98-101).

Lectures on Faith 6:8 It is in vain for persons to fancy to themselves that they are heirs with those, or can be heirs with them, who have offered their all in sacrifice, and by this means obtained faith in God and favor with him so as to obtain eternal life, unless they in like manner offer unto him the same sacrifice, and through that offering obtain the knowledge that they are accepted of him.

The True Standard of Righteousness

Regarding righteousness, a person can try to live up to every law and commandment both cultural and scriptural and it will be insufficient.  At the end of the day, after all we can do, we are saved by Christ’s grace.  Why did Nephi labor so diligently to teach of Christ?  Why did he and his people believe in Christ and talk about Him so much?

Nephi spoke of Christ because all we do amounts to basically nothing.  No amount of compliance with any law will be sufficient to save us.

Assume your height was a visible measure of your righteousness.  You could compare yourself to others and say, “Look, I’m six feet tall and everyone else is five feet, therefore I am righteous.”  This is in essence what we do; we compare ourselves to others and find comfort in being “taller”.

Christ is the Empire State Building or Mt. Everest. From His perspective the difference between the best of us and the worst of us is so insignificant that we all equally fall short. You can’t even tell from the top of the Empire State Building just who is taller than the other.

This is the standard of righteousness that heaven uses. We all fall so far short of it that it is purely by Christ’s grace that we are saved.

You will not save yourself by saving up for that bicycle. The amount you offer is nothing compared to the standard of Righteousness. The only thing you can offer is a broken heart and contrite spirit. You must be willing to set aside anything and everything to know Him, including your cherished but incorrect beliefs.

To the Critics of the Church

For those of you aware of facts that have shaken your faith in Joseph Smith or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, faith in a man or an institution is idolatry.  The only object worthy of faith is Jesus Christ.  To have your faith shaken in an idol is a good thing.  Joseph Smith defined Mormonism as truth:

Mormonism is truth; and every man who embraces it feels himself at liberty to embrace every truth. Consequently the shackles of superstition, bigotry, ignorance, and priestcraft, fall at once from his neck; and his eyes are opened to see the truth, and truth greatly prevails over priestcraft…The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is, that we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation or without being circumscribed or prohibited by the creeds or superstitious notions of men, or by the dominations of one another, when that truth is clearly demonstrated to our minds, and we have the highest degree of evidence of the same.
– Joseph Smith -Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, page 264,

The truth is, your skepticism of men and institutions puts you in good company.  In 1830 the Lord called the church “true and living” (D&C 1:30).  By 1832 the Lord stated that the church is “condemned” (D&C 84:54-57).  By 1841 the Lord says He has taken the fullness of the priesthood away from the church (D&C 124:28).  The Lord promised that if we did not repent, we would “by [our] own works, bring cursings, wrath, indignation, and judgments upon your own heads, by your follies, and by all your abominations, which you practice before me, saith the Lord.” (v. 48).

You have learned truth and that truth is confirmed by the Lord’s own words.  We were moved out of Nauvoo and have suffered cursings by our own follies.  With this knowledge of truth you can refocus your faith in the proper place, Jesus Christ.  Jesus Christ is an expert at saving fallen things.

If you do not accuse each other, God will not accuse you. If you have no accuser you will enter heaven, and if you will follow the revelations and instructions which God gives you through me, I will take you into heaven as my back load. If you will not accuse me, I will not accuse you. If you will throw a cloak of charity over my sins, I will over yours—for charity covereth a multitude of sins. – Joseph Smith -Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 193

We all need this cloak of charity.

I am not an Example

I am not an example because I am more righteous or perfect or more virtuous.  I am not.  I am utterly unworthy of any heavenly attention as to myself and am certainly not worth any earthly attention.  I only share my experience so that others may know that no matter how low you are, Christ will save you if you let Him.

Christ’s work is to save you.  He is good at what He does.  Let Him work with you.  Be patient and teachable as a little child.  Children do not have all the preconceptions and false traditions we have.  Try to read the Book of Mormon without any preconceptions about what it means.  I know that is very hard to do.  I still have weaknesses.  We all do.  We are given weaknesses to humble us.  Let yourself be humble.

I have no stewardship to reveal anything to any member of the church.  I am not a presiding authority, and therefore nothing I share would be of any force to anyone.  I believe I had stated that clearly, but I do so again just to be clear.

The Lord has asked me to share these thoughts here, but only in the capacity as a friend and fellow seeker, and not by way of commandment or revelation.  So while I am under an obligation to post, no one else is under any obligation beyond what they are persuaded by the Holy Ghost.  The only tool I have is testimony and persuasion.  I do not consider myself an expert, special, more righteous, or anything other than an ordinary LDS guy.

My only goal in writing here is to increase faith in Christ.  I believe the preeminent doctrine worth talking about is the Doctrine of Christ — Faith, Repentance, Baptism, taking the Holy Ghost as your guide until Christ manifests Himself to you.  Christ is real and employs no servant at the gate.

2 Nephi 9:41 O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteous. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before him, and the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel; and he employeth no servant there; and there is none other way save it be by the gate; for he cannot be deceived, for the Lord God is his name.

If my words have caused anyone to have less faith in Christ, then I beg for your forgiveness and ask you to ignore me.  Of all my mistakes, which are many, it yet remains that I experienced what I did.  To echo Joseph’s words — I know it and I know God knows it.

I do not fault nor accuse anyone for disbelieving me.  Christ is the only one worthy of belief. Believe in Him. Seek after Him.  He has promised that He will come to you.  Please do not be satisfied with anything less than His literal presence.

John 14:23 – Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
D&C 130:3 – John 14:23—The appearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false.

Please do not stop casting out unbelief until the Angels come and Christ manifests Himself.  These things are absolutely necessary for your eternal salvation.  Christ has a work to do that no earthly man or program can provide.  There is no servant at the gate.  There is no substitute for conversing with the Lord through the veil.

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113 thoughts on “My Testimony

  1. Frederick Volcansek

    That is a powerful testimony. Thank you for sharing it with the world. I felt the Spirit of truth testify to me that you spoke those words in truth and plain humility.

    Thank you.

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  2. Rodney Aldrich

    Thank you for your testimony! I felt the Spirit testify of the truthfulness in your words. It is a blessing to be able to read testimonies of Christ.

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  3. Ashley Bullock

    Thank you for sharing these things. I know its difficult to put yourself out there for criticism and to give others the opportunity to bare false witness against you and/or accuse you for having shared such glorious things. One of our articles of faith states that we lds should hope for all things and to beleive ALL things. Thank you for your beautiful testimony and witness. You are right. At the end of the day it doesnt matter if others beleive your experiences though. What is important is for them to go on and receive of their own. Often times that belief begins when we know of others who have received such things and we begin to believe it is possible for us. This is what fast and testimony meetings are supposed to be about and why God asks His followers to bear witness of Him. Its not to venture into voyeurism but to give HOPE. We need to develop Faith, Hope, And Charity and we can KNOW Him. Even all this can we do if we will. Amen!

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  4. Andy Gore

    Read this right away after you pointed it out. Then asked Father to point out my unbelief. Lets do this and not procrastinate.

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  5. Eva

    I draw strength from your words. I long for that Living Water to quench my parched soul. Your witness gives me assurance He can come to me too, my Beloved, the King of Kings. I realize now that I don’t know anything, all my “truth” is false and all unbelief until I receive that sure knowledge. God help me.

    Thank you Dan

    Eva

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  6. Tony Richmond

    Your testimony is beautiful. I thank God that a lowly man like yourself has experienced this. Your experience strengthens my resolve to have the same happen to me.

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  7. Diana Stover

    Thank you for sharing such a sacred experience. You are an inspiration to me to seek
    deeper for further light and knowledge– that I, too, may meet My Savior.

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  8. Kellie Smith

    Dan,

    Know that your intent to nurture greater faith in Christ has been achieved in my soul. Your words have strengthened me on my path to the Second Comforter. Thank you for your witness, encouragement and edification. When I read that Christ wishes to know me more than I wish to know Him, I wept, for I felt the truth of this statement. I proclaim, as the father in Mark 9:24, and as I have so many times and will continue doing so, “Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief”.

    I pray many blessings to you and to all who read your words.

    Kellie

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  9. Bryan Lang

    Dan,

    I love that you have the courage to share something so special. What I love even more is how you talk about getting there. I believe also that it is essential that we cast off unbelief and that Christ truly is good at what he does.

    Thanks!

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  10. Daryl Brown

    Thank you for your humble testimony. I believe you. Thank you for your words about unbelief. Joseph Smith taught us to believe ALL things. We often conflate that to mean ALL gospel-related things. Joseph did not put a limit on that statement. We need to believe ALL things. That is the beginning of true discernment. Then like you stated, ask God to remove your unbelief on a daily basis. He is in control, we just need to repent daily.

    I really like how clear you were about specific points of your experience. Thank you for being willing to share in such a manner. You say that we need to get our own connection to heaven. I believe you are right. We need this connection or we will never be saved from this world.

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  11. Danny

    Daniel, thank you so much for sharing this witness. I have much unbelief to caste out, and I am truly a sinner. But I believe in what you’ve shared, I have learned some portions of the process you describe, and have much more to learn and do. Thank you for strengthening my desire to know, and to receive.

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  12. Earl Konig

    Thanks, Dan.
    I joined the LDS church over 40 years ago, and in those days it seemed that even though we did not talk of it much, the goal of everyone was to push forward and receive the visitations and witnesses that you speak of. I don’t see that too often anymore. I rarely hear it spoken of as doctrine, and almost never is it spoken from the pulpit. That is sad. I miss it.
    The idea that the Book of Mormon was written as a warning about what could happen to the LDS faith would not have occurred to us then, I don’t think. Today, everything is Topsy-turvy.

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  13. Geoff Wright

    I also believe Daniel’s testimony and am so thankful he followed the Lord’s prompting to answer when I asked if there were any other witnesses besides Denver to the process outlined in The Second Comforter: Conversing With the Lord Through the Veil (TSC), which is simply the doctrine of Christ from the Book of Mormon (2 Nephi 31-32). Daniel’s testimony changed my heart and helped me cast off a lot of my unbelief. I am also very grateful to Frederick for being a third witness to me.

    I have experienced many of the fruits of the path of instruction leading up to the veil since choosing to truly believe and follow the doctrine of Christ in fulfillment of His promises. I encourage everyone to believe in Christ unto repentance, and to ask, seek, and knock, as you follow the Light of Christ and the Holy Spirit back into His presence. He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Read the Book of Mormon, the Lectures on Faith, and TSC again with as open, believing, and as child-like (to the Lord) a faith as you possibly can. Cast off your unbelief and deny yourself of all ungodliness, Moroni 10:32-33, D&C 93:1. Trust the Lord and act on the feelings and subjective experiences and signs He gives you. As the Prophet Joseph put it, grow into the principle of revelation, by noticing and acting on the intelligence He gives you, and He will give you more and more, until you reach Him.

    I’m not there yet, but there have been many undeniable fruits and signs following my renewed faith in Him and His doctrine, which, to quote Nephi, is “the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.”

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  14. cristina swank

    I feel happy to know about this testimonies, I’m 39years old and I learning a lot about when something sad happen to me to “let it go” with Suplication and get out and share the gospel, and after receiving comfort. I know that we talk and rejoice in Christ the heavens are happy and we feel that also…our comfort isn’t complete because I suppose the rest will be with Christ…I hope in this life to see through the veil some celestial being and to receive a pure love and friendship…

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  15. Angela W.

    Dan, this is what Nephi was describing in 2 nephi 25:26 : “…we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies…” I am so grateful for your words. When we talk and share, we rejoice in our Redeemer. My hope that I can experience the same begins to overflow. I am pursuing the same path and your sharing the glorious ending is a great blessing. Shall we not go on in so great a cause? Courage, on to the victory! .

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  16. Chloe

    Thank you for sharing your testimony. I was greatly touched and inspired to keep trying and seeking the Second Comforter.

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  17. Clarice

    Thanks Dan. You know, the fact that I know you(a little bit) really gives me hope! You really are just a normal guy. Part of my unbelief is that I will only see the Lord when I have become a certain “type” of person, and only certain “types” of people have actually seen him and know him. Of course I am not that “type” of person and probably never will be. I have got to let go of the lie.
    Several months ago I was prompted to start using the phrase ‘Latter Day Saints’ interchangeably with ‘gentiles’ when ever I came across it in the Book of Mormon. I do it and it sure sheds a lot of light on our true condition before God.
    Looking forward to seeing you in December.
    Clarice

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  18. Moni

    Humble, simple, direct, truthful, and penetrating.
    The visuals were insightful to such a degree that this has taken hold deep within…
    and now and until the rest of days of probation there is continual work to do to know
    him whilst on earth.

    Thank-you, God Bless-

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  19. Jake Mahan

    Dan,

    I really appreciate your testimony. Your experiences and others’ have given me hope that I will obtain this for myself some day. The Spirit testifies that you speak truth. And I am so glad for your courage to say these things in the face of opposition and unbelief. Godspeed, my friend.

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  20. Kathy Lehtinen

    The spirit has testified to me of the truthfulness of your testimony. I have read it several times and each time I weep at your witness that He wants to know us more than we want to know Him. I am grateful that you have shared this and I have hope that I will someday be received of Him. Your willingness to show and share your imperfections also gives me hope that I too can receive these blessings despite my many sins and weaknesses. You and your family are in my prayers as you face your trials for boldly standing up and testifying of our Savior Jesus Christ.

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  21. Nathan

    Thanks for sharing additional insights- especially the thoughts on discarding “unbelief”

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  22. John Chase

    Daniel,

    What a wonderful gift I received from reading your post. And what a joyous moment for me to see so many comments from others who are filled with the hope to come and know their Savior. Thank you so very much for sharing your testimony and a multitudes of Alleluias to God for his mercy and condescensions to man. Seriously, what great things are happening.

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  23. Joseph

    I am grateful you obeyed in posting your testimony here Dan. I have been reflecting on your testimony for many weeks now. Your testimony has helped me to increased my faith and hope in Christ. Because of your testimony I am have increased my efforts and desire to follow every prompting no matter how great or especially how insignificant I in my light mindedness and ignorance judge it to be. Thank you for teaching me this.

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  24. Tim Malone

    Daniel: Thanks for your courage in sharing. Would that more people who have had this sort of experience would be as open about it. Testimonies like this help those of us who are still seeking to know the Savior and come unto him as he commanded us. God bless you in your continued efforts to follow the promptings of the spirit in spite of the fears and doubts others may cast in your face. Moroni 7:37 came to mind as I read your wonderful testimony and felt the need to strive harder to remove my own doubts and fears. -Tim Malone, Latter-day Commentary

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  25. Melonie

    Your courage to share is so inspiring. Thank you for being fearless in your testimony of the Savior and helping to guide us closer to Him. What beautiful experiences and words!!

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  26. Annalea

    We were freshmen at BYU the same year. 🙂 Small world.

    And thank you. Thank you for your honesty and your witness. God IS talkative. And I can’t wait to see Him for myself.

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  27. Sarah Hyde

    Beautiful. I’ve read this more times than once, and I keep learning. Thank you!

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  28. Kevin

    Thank you for sharing this first-hand witness. After my mission, I searched for years to find others who longed for these things and only recently have the Heavens been opened. Truly Father is allowing additional Light to come forth and those of us who are actively seeking it are running to it.

    Hurrah for Israel.

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  29. LaRue Brough

    I was led to your post from a link by Tim Malone. Thank you Tim!
    Thank you for sharing your beautiful experience! I pray that I will recognize and overcome my own unbelief that I may receive The Second Comforter. I pray that I may come to know my Savior and become more like Him!,

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  30. Steve Graham

    Tim and another individual led me to your site. Thanks, Tim!

    I left my former church 40+ years ago because it was not getting me closer to God. And though the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has taught me much more about God, I haven’t felt moved closer to Him all that much. I rejoice that imperfect people are finding their way to Him and share their experiences and joy and encourage us to do the same.

    Thank you for having the courage to pursue the journey and post your testimony here. Despite the persecutions you may face, I have to think that the Lord will (continue to) bless you and you will feel increasing joy.

    Steve

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  31. Roy Moore

    Brother Daniel,

    If some “friends” abandon you because of your testimony, please consider me as one who will stand with you no matter the cost. We are strangers until this moment, but we are kindred spirits now throughout eternity.

    Your brother, Roy.

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  32. Eric

    EVERYTHING Dan has said here is verily true! The Baptism of Fire and of the Holy Ghost is the next step. It is as tangible as your Baptism of water, and even more so. When it happens it will not be a matter of question. You will know it. Read also Enos, 3rd Nephi 12:1-10; all of chp 19. Ether chp 12 in connection with what the scriptures Dan has listed here.

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  33. Margo Elders

    Daniel,

    What an amazing, beautiful testimony! Thank you so much for
    sharing this wonderful account. I feel the spirit testify to me the
    truthfulness of your words, they are powerful. How great and
    wonderful the royal majesty of our Heavenly Father and his Son
    Jesus Christ!

    Margo

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  34. Jim O'Rullian

    Thank you for following up on your obligation to the Lord. It comes as an answer to sacred prayers of many of us who are traveling the same path.

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  35. Jared

    Dan, thank you so much for posting your testimony. And thank you for including a positive comment about Denver. I’ve heard that you’ve been asked to remove this web page. Please don’t. We all need your steadfastness as the institutional opposition to the fullness increases.

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  36. Heber Frank

    Hi, have you read revelations found in The Second Book of Commandments? (www.2bc.info 1961 to present) Some question that the Lord would call a prophet independent of His Gentile church leadership. And besides, many others today write revelations in the Lord’s name. But some of us sought diligently and prayerfully for many years and know that the 2BC is a true continuation of the gift of oracles restored to the Prophet Joseph for Israel in the last days. All those that receive revelation today must present their revelation to the School of the Prophets authorized by the 2BC. And the School will determine from the Lord if it is a true revelation.

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  37. Elias Returns

    Blessed Brother,
    Thank you so very much for sharing your “Blessed Event ” and witnessing of Him, and of Father to the World.

    I can hear now the songs of praise, and gratitude, from the Heavens, “that you followed through”, and now stand beside your other fellow Brothers and Sisters of The Firstborn on Earth, declaring The Christ, and the Ascension to the Fathers.
    Again, thank you Daniel and Blessed will be thy name, forever and forever.
    All My Love,
    Elias Returns

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  38. Russell Anderson

    Daniel,

    Is it possible to ask you a question or two through email? Some people think that you are simply following Denver Snuffer in his book “Passing the Heavenly Gift.”

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    1. Toni

      Russell, I am convinced that Daniel’s testimony is his own, and not a copycat testimony.

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  39. Toni

    Gad, I will join my friends (as well as many people I do not know) in telling you thank you for sharing your testimony so clearly. In Lehi’s time, many prophets were testifying, and Lehi ended up joining their ranks. I view you (and some of my other friends) as being like them.

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  40. kenh

    Thank you Daniel for your testimony. Each of us must climb our spiritual Mount Sinai where at the top Christ awaits with open arms. Most members believe that being “born of the water and of the Spirit” mean watery baptism and confirmation. This simple is not true. “Born of the water” is watery baptism and confirmation because both are necessary to be a complete watery baptism. “Born of the Spirit” is the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost, truly a separate event never to be forgotten. We must experience it because as the Lord through Alma (Mosiah 27:25-27) taught we must become spiritually begotten children of Christ or we are cast off (one of the lower kingdoms). The baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost causes, among other things, this spiritual rebirth to take place, not to mention becoming cleansed of all sin, prerequisite to being in the presence of Christ. (D&C 76:116,117)

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  41. Ken Morley

    Seeking his face consumes my every thought. Thank you for pointing me to my unbelief. It’s often hard to know what to focus on exactly and even to know where the path is we must take. I know that casting off my unbelief will lead me closer to him. Thank you!

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  42. Fusion

    I have posted this before at http://www.weepingforzion.com where it generated surprisingly little discussion, and would like to hear further from those here in response to my scriptural offerings in regards to the Second Comforter experienced by Dan and some of you of late (I have slightly edited it for this site). Dan I appreciate your admirable fairness in allowing me to re-post it here. My attempt contained herein is sincere, I assure you of that. Here are my observations and questions:

    So interesting to read these testimonies…thank you for sharing these. I love the spirit of hope…this shortening of the days towards Jesus’ return, so joyful a moment!

    If I may be bold, I have a question which bothers me, perhaps some of you can share your conjecture on it to help me out in my journey- According to D&C 124:28, a decade after receiving the fulness of the priesthood in very early 1830’s, the Lord stated that He had taken away this very fulness, and had not yet restored it in 1841:

    28 For there is not a place found on earth that he may come to and restore again that which was lost unto you, or which he hath taken away, even the fulness of the priesthood.

    The Lord further severely chastises the Saints for not living consecration as found in Section 42, and then flat out states that the Church is not right with Him in verse 48, thus common sense states these are the reasons why the priesthood was taken away-

    48 For instead of blessings, ye, by your own works, bring cursings, wrath, indignation, and judgments upon your ownheads, by your follies, and by all your abominations, which you practice before me, saith the Lord

    Following this there has never been an instance documented, or even simply claimed by anyone in the LDS faith since then, that the Lord finally did return and ‘restore AGAIN that which He took away, even the fulness of the Priesthood’, in the 4+ generations that has since passed.

    Now, according to Section 84:19-22 the fulness of the priesthood, which obviously contains the ‘greater priesthood’, is ESSENTIAL to seeing the face of God-

    19 And this greater priesthood administereth the gospel and holdeth the key of the mysteries of the kingdom, even the key of the knowledge of God. 20 Therefore, in the ordinances thereof, the power of godliness is manifest. 21 And without the ordinances thereof, and the authority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is not manifest unto men in the flesh; 22 For without this no man can see the face of God, even the Father, and live.

    So, my problem lies in the fact that-

    1. The greater or highest priesthood is THE pre-requisite to seeing the face of God (Jesus).

    2. Without the highest priesthood, the face of God CANNOT be an event which can happen.

    3. According to the above scriptures, the greater priesthood was taken away by the LORD Himself.

    4. This greater priesthood has NEVER been restored by the Lord, who according to JST Genesis 14:25-40, is the ONLY possible One who directly ordains a person to it, and the fruits or the proof, is manifested in POWER, not just in vocal testimony, in the which is demonstrated by these manifestations-

    28 It being after the order of the Son of God; which order came, not by man, nor the will of man; neither by father nor mother; neither by beginning of days nor end of years; but of God;

    29 And it was delivered unto men by the calling of his own voice, according to his own will, unto as many as believed on his name.

    30 For God having sworn unto Enoch and unto his seed with an oath by himself; that every one being ordained after this order and calling should have power, by faith, to break mountains, to divide the seas, to dry upwaters, to turn them out of their course;

    31 To put at defiance the armies of nations, to divide the earth, to break every band, to stand in the presence of God; to do all things according to his will, according to his command, subdue principalities and powers; and this by the will of the Son of God which was from before the foundation ofthe world.

    32 And men having this faith, coming up unto this order of God, were translated and taken up into heaven.

    So, as an obvious observation, I have not heard anyone claim the restoration of this Priesthood, the greater or highest Priesthood, by the Lord directly to anyone of my contemporaries here.

    Further, if somebody did make this claim, the above JST scriptures make clear how the power of this priesthood would be manifested, leaving no doubt, just as the saints did in Melchizidek’s day, Enoch’s day, and the magnificent era of 4th Nephi, where the very elements were controlled and commanded by these holy saints.

    So, without being rude, how is it possible that so many of you are able to go against the pre-requisites in the word of the Lord as contained in His holy Scriptures, and still see the face of God?? Please enlighten me. If you are having this experience, then the word of the Lord above is blatantly incorrect.

    If your experiences, which I have tried for so long myself to have without any success, is true, then there is yet hope for me! But until the Word of the Lord is justified in this, i am left scratching my mostly empty head… Please don’t be shy, I’d love to hear from all of you as I am as sincere in my desires as you are, and am completely aware of my pathetic nothingness before the Lord, whose mercy I desperately crave.

    Much love, Fusion

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    1. Daniel Rogers Post author

      You converse with the Lord through the veil to get the missing pieces. Also, think of priesthood as a relationship/channel and see if that provides light.

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      1. Eric

        Hi Fusion. If I may, let me suggest that what would be of immediate concern is that you concentrate on that next rung on the ladder and not so much with what is at the top, so to speak. What is at the top will come, but one only gets there ascending one rung at a time. I think you already know this. (Just from your post I see you are a deep and thoughtful person.) As Nephi said “Enter in By the way and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what you should do.” (2 Ne. 32:5) This is also the power by which we may “know the truth of all things.” (Mni 10:5) let the HG teach you all you want to know. The Baptism of fire and the HG is the next rung. The Lord will give you an answer to that question that will not only satisfy you but will open up vistas of knew insight and understanding into the priesthood and its operations.

        If this seems a cop out to you or a skirting of the question, be that as it may. There are several here on this board that could probably provide you with AN answer, but would probably leave you with more questions than answers, as it appears that the “Weeping for Zion” community was unable to answer to your satisfaction. And speaking from experience how the Lord answers is so much more edifying. I think you already know this as well.

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    2. Jared

      As I read D&C 124:28 it seems to me that the Lord is addressing the church as a whole, or as an institution. My own interpretation is that a type of fullness was restored during the Kirtland Temple experience, then many apostated and fell into sin and that fullness was withdrawn.

      Also, the fullness of the priesthood is not the same as the High Priesthood, or the Priesthood of Melchizedek which holds the power to stand in the presence of the Lord. We still have that authority. Receiving the power has always been an individual process.

      The fullness of the priesthood is always revealed by the Lord personally. When enough individuals have received this, then a ZION, or institutional fullness is established.

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    3. sfort

      Fusion,

      Also in section 84,it states you must be faithful unto the obtaining the two preparatory Priesthoods before the highest priesthood is acquired. The timing and bringing of heavenly manifestations is confusing the way Joseph brought these revelations forward. Onward and upward.

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  43. Mushi

    So let me get this straight….15 million members of the church and only a handful of people know about this. Wouldn’t God want more people to know about this? How did you see Him if the “fullness” of the priesthood was taken away?

    I don’t disbelieve that this is possible but when as one reader put, “my ever thought is consumed with having this experience” it sounds a little cultish.

    I have had my own spiritual experiences that have CONVINCED me that God lives and Jesus is the Christ WITHOUT seeing them. It would be great to see them, but I DO NOT believe seeing them is a prerequisite to being saved in the celestial kingdom as you seem to claim. Seeing them is a privilege, but not a requirement to salvation.

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    1. Toni

      It’s in the Doctrine and Covenants in several places. D&C 93:1, for example. The Book of Mormon has several examples of people (Lehi, Nephi, brother of Jared, Lamanites, and others) who came to the Lord, and saw Him in person.

      2 Nephi 32:
      5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.
      6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

      This is Christ telling YOU what to do after He manifests Himself to YOU in the flesh (not in the afterlife, not in the spirit world, not in some future judgment day – in other words, you are in your flesh when you see Him).

      So, if only a handful of people know this, it is because they do not search the scriptures that are readily available to most people who live on this planet. God has not spoken in secret. This information is available to millions and millions (and even billions) of people, if they would only open their eyes to see, open their ears to hear, and open their minds to understand.

      Joseph Smith’s example of seeing the Father and the Son was an example for us to follow. It was never intended that only a select elite few ever have an absolute knowledge (“I know He lives because I have seen Him and touched Him,” type of thing) of them.

      The D&C plainly says that Moses sought for his people to see the face of God (being brought into His “rest” is another way of wording it), but they would not have anything to do with it. It appears that we, as a people, are doing the same thing Moses’ people did.

      D&C 84:
      18 And the Lord confirmed a priesthood also upon Aaron and his seed, throughout all their generations, which priesthood also continueth and abideth forever with the priesthood which is after the holiest order of God.
      19 And this greater priesthood administereth the gospel and holdeth the key of the mysteries of the kingdom, even the key of the knowledge of God.
      20 Therefore, in the ordinances thereof, the power of godliness is manifest.
      21 And without the ordinances thereof, and the authority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is not manifest unto men in the flesh;
      22 For without this no man can see the face of God, even the Father, and live.
      23 Now this Moses plainly taught to the children of Israel in the wilderness, and sought diligently to sanctify his people that they might behold the face of God;
      24 But they hardened their hearts and could not endure his presence; therefore, the Lord in his wrath, for his anger was kindled against them, swore that they should not enter into his rest while in the wilderness, which rest is the fulness of his glory.
      25 Therefore, he took Moses out of their midst, and the Holy Priesthood also;

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      1. Jacob

        Hi Toni,

        I disagree with the idea that it is a requirement to meet Christ face to face in this life to obtain salvation in the next. I would gladly accept this as truth if it were not for the evidence that is provided against such a belief. Joseph Smith said,

        “When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the Gospel—you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all of the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the grave.”

        Did you catch that last part? “It will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation EVEN beyond the grave.” This partially affirms the importance of the role that the spirit world plays in the Plan of Salvation.
        Next, I don’t know of any verse in the scriptures that will EXPLICITLY say that we must meet Christ in this life to be saved. If this was the deciding factor of a man’s salvation then God would make that quite clear in the scriptures. There is no doubt that this is the goal that I want to pursue and that every saint should, but it is not a requirement for salvation. Yes, there are many scriptures that say we should pursue this goal, but, if you look closely at them, you will realize that they won’t ever say that our salvation is predicated upon actually obtaining the goal.
        In 3 Nephi 11-14 we find the basic commandments we must adhere to for salvation. As Christ himself said, “Behold, ye have heard the things which I taught before I ascended to my Father; therefore, whoso remembereth these sayings of mine and doeth them, him will I raise up at the last day” (3 Nephi 15:1). And so, I find it interesting and reassuring that nowhere in these four chapters does it say that we must meet Christ in this life, or “come into his rest,” or commune with Him “face to face.” It isn’t even hinted towards. If what Christ taught concerning these chapters is true then we can conclude that it is not a requirement to meet our Lord and Savior while in this life to be saved.
        At this point, I think we can take a look at spiritual gifts. Spiritual gifts aren’t “super powers” like some might think. Spiritual gifts are exactly what they are: gifts. “For all have not every gift given unto them; for there are many gifts, and to every man is given a gift by the Spirit of God. To some is given one, and to some is given another, that all may be profited thereby” (D&C 46:11-12). The next two verses I find to be very interesting: “To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that he was crucified for the sins of the world. To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful” (D&C 46:13-14). To some it is given to know Jesus Christ. To others it is given to believe the words of those who know Him so that they might have eternal life.
        Lastly, let’s look at what the scriptures can further offer concerning this topic. First, God is clear in his instruction and he could not have been more clear through the words of Alma as to what the purpose of this life is: “For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors” (Alma 34:32). He didn’t say that the purpose of this life was to meet God but to “prepare to meet God.” I take this verse very seriously. The book of Alma, in my opinion, is the leading authority in the Book of Mormon concerning the Plan of Salvation, Alma being the chief officiator thereof (See Alma 40-42. Also see Alma 18 and 22).
        Second, I find Ether 3:15 to be very revealing concerning this matter: “And never have I [Jesus Christ] showed myself unto man whom I have created, for never has man believed in me as thou has. Seest thou that ye are created after mine own image? Yea, even all men were created in the beginning after mine own image.” In speaking unto the Brother of Jared face to face, Christ claims that no man had ever communed with Him before in the flesh. That means that if meeting Christ in this life is a requirement for salvation then the entire human race between Adam and the Brother of Jared DID NOT obtain salvation! More than 99% of the earth would be damned if this was God’s plan. I don’t think God would create such a plan.

        This is how I see it. I believe in and desire to receive the Second Comforter. I am striving to do so. However, what I have striven to objectively study from the scriptures and church history continues to reassure me that this amazing blessing from our God is not a requirement for salvation, but a blessing and a gift for those who seek it and are worthy of it. May the Lord teach me otherwise if I am wrong!

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  44. Rodney

    Thanks. I too have read your testimony more than once. A little more than a year ago I experienced something I didn’t know how to describe other than being filled with the love of God. Since then, I have wanted everyone to be able to feel that… a knowledge? of Gods love for me and every. single. person. It was months before my feet touched the ground and I have been ‘consumed’, for the lack of a better term, with coming to Christ. Not seeking Him only, but finding Him. My love for Him has grown beyond my comprehension and I have found myself in a spiritual ‘place’ I’ve never been before. The processes I’ve read online by you, Elias Returns and Jim Malone has helped me to better focus, and relize I’m not alone in this. I have not read any of Denver’s books for the moment, but from what I have read, of those mentioned above, fits my experiences so far.

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  45. John Cannon

    Replying to Fusion:

    Before Joseph Smith had his first vision he clearly did not hold the higher priesthood or any priesthood for that matter, yet he saw the face of God and His Son. So either your interpretation of D&C 84:19-22 is mistaken or Joseph was somehow endowed with the higher priesthood before the Father and Son appeared to him. Either way it appears possible for Daniel and others to have had a personal visit from the Savior even if the priesthood that was lost has not yet been restored.

    Now whether people such as Daniel and others have actually received such a visit as they have testified remains for each of us to determine for ourselves by a witness of the Spirit, as some of those who have posted here have done. Daniel’s admonition to not rely on him for anything, but rather to rely on Jesus Christ is good advice that we should all heed.

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  46. John Cannon

    To Daniel:

    You wrote the following:

    Joseph Smith taught “for God hath not revealed anything to Joseph, but what He will make known unto the Twelve, and even the least Saint may know all things as fast as he is able to bear them, for the day must come when no man need say to his neighbor, ‘Know ye the Lord; for all shall know Him who, remain from the least to the greatest.’ ” TPJS 149.

    I wondered at the last sentence, as it seems to make no sense. So I looked it up and found that you misquoted it. Your paragraph should read:

    Joseph Smith taught “for God hath not revealed anything to Joseph, but what He will make known unto the Twelve, and even the least Saint may know all things as fast as he is able to bear them, for the day must come when no man need say to his neighbor, Know ye the Lord; for all shall know Him (who remain) from the least to the greatest.” TPJS 149.

    It is a small thing and does not materially detract from your testimony, but in the interest of accuracy you might consider correcting it. Also you might at least once mention, for those who might not know, that TPJS stands for Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith. References to your other two quotes by Joseph Smith could also appropriately be added for those of us who like to confirm those kinds of things.

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    1. Daniel Rogers Post author

      Thanks, I’ve updated the quote. I can’t promise when I’ll get around to providing additional cites, but I’ll put it on the to do list. This isn’t really a scholarly endeavor.

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      1. John Cannon

        Yes, I understand that your post is meant as a heartfelt testimony and not a scholarly work, but when you include quotations from others, presumably to make a point, it seems proper to reference those quotations to allow readers to confirm them. You do reference every quote except those two attributed to Joseph Smith. If you would like to include those two missing references, I’ve found them for you. The “Mormonism is truth” quotation comes from Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, page 264, and the “If you do not accuse” quotation comes from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 193.

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        1. Daniel Rogers Post author

          Thanks again. It is not so much lack of desire, but rather lack of time.

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        2. Daniel Rogers Post author

          Alright, I think I got that updated. I have decided that editing on a phone is something I would like to avoid in the future. I appreciate your help!

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  47. kenh

    I add this with the hope of helping any who are still searching for answers to Coming unto Christ in this life.

    The Events of Testimony lead to the Events of Conversion

    Alma 12:10,11
    10 “And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.

    11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell.”

    The lesser portion of the word and the greater portion of the word together constitute the fulness of the gospel.

    The Lesser portion of the word -The events of testimony

    Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
    Repentance
    Baptism
    Gift of the Holy Ghost
    Melchezedek Priesthood
    Washing and Anointing
    Endowment
    Temple Marriage

    The Greater portion of the word – The events of conversion

    Purification
    Baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost (This cleanses us of all sin and we no longer desire to sin at all.)
    Born Again (No longer struggling to overcome the natural man. Spiritually begotten sons and daughters unto Christ. Mosiah 27:25,26)
    Fulness of the Priesthood By God’s own voice (Helaman 10 D&C 50:26-30 JST Gen:14:28-31)
    Personally know Christ face to face (D&C 93:1)
    Sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise (The Father tells you that you are going to be exalted)
    Calling and election made sure
    Sanctification (and by the blood (of Christ) ye are sanctified) Truly becoming a saint.
    Church of the Firstborn (Lds members who are prepared for exaltation and those who are already exalted are members of this church)
    Possible translation

    The above events can happen in any order that the Lord chooses them to happen. These could be even years apart from each other. Testimony gets one through the temple where promises of becoming converted are made. The events of conversion take place as the blessings of the promises made in the temple become realty in this life. When we are washed and are promised to become clean in the initiatory session of the temple it becomes fulfilled when the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost make those promises reality in this life. “And by the Spirit ye are purified.” Thus the Holy Ghost becomes a “purifier.” And thus we are made pure by fire, an interesting play on words. Now to let us speak of the Holy Priesthood of God. We have a man confer it upon us but we, when we become truly converted, receive the fulness of the Priesthood from Christ Himself by His own voice. Testimony alone will not save us. Those members of the church who only have a testimony, (the lesser portion of the word) who do not become converted, (i.e. those who harden their hearts) will fall away. These are the future tares and the unwise virgins. Elder Bednar’s comparison of the Ten Virgins wherein he states that the lamps represent testimony and the oil in the lamps represents conversion is wonderfully true.
    The events of testimony are designed to inspire us and lead us to the events of conversion. God does not want us just to have a testimony that could be denied when trials and tribulations come. For the winds will blow and the rains will descend and beat upon our house as the Savior said and if we only have a testimony built upon sand (the lessor portion of the word) we will not stand. But sand can become stone. Through the forces of nature sand must be pressed together with tremendous pressure and become chemically changed in order to solidify into sold rock. So must our testimonies pass through the spiritual processes of trials and obedience and with divine help surmount the summits of doubt and unbelief to produce a soul that is truly converted, truly changed within, truly built upon a foundation of sold rock which is Jesus Christ. This foundation of rock is knowledge that He lives and that we, because of Him, know that we are blessed with the events of conversion in our lives and that when the trials and tribulations descend upon us and all others, that we will not stumble and fall but stand, standing firm in the knowledge that only comes through the process of true conversion to Christ, the Lord. May we all become converted and so blessed by Him who mighty to save, in Jesus’ name, amen.

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  48. VJ

    One thing I have wondered for a while is how important using the True Order of Prayer has been for those who have been able to pierce the veil. Does heaven respond if you don’t use this method of prayer? It used to be approved by the Church to conduct such prayers outside of the temple (Parley Pratt’s autobiography even references the prayer alter in his home), but all that was “officially” ended by Pres. Kimball. My first temple experience was post 1990, so I’ve never seen how it was done previously to the changes implemented that year. Is that also an impediment (i.e. does heaven recognize those 1990 changes as valid)? If you can’t post an answer to this online, could you respond via email?

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    1. Daniel Rogers Post author

      2 Ne 32:5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

      Just rely on the Spirit.

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  49. Heidi

    Thank you for your testimony. I definitely want to be one who receives the second comforter in this life! Thanks for sharing.

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  50. Lori Taylor

    Hi Daniel,

    I found this website via Tim’s blog. I appreciate your willingness and obedience in sharing this beautiful testimony. I have been moved and given much to ponder, pray about and do. I feel so much gratitude for the Lord’s desire to help each of us come unto Him by having more and more individuals share their experiences with Him and teach us of His Way. Thank you, and may God continue to bless you and all those who yearn to be His.

    Lori

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  51. Stephanie

    Dear Reader,
    I feel the need to add my testimony here that I know the things Dan has shared are true. I have heard him relate these things in person numerous times and have felt the Holy Ghost confirm the truthfulness and significance of his experiences time and time again.
    I also have had too many spiritual experiences and blessings poured out upon me and my family since embarking on this journey of receiving Christ to turn back and doubt the truthfulness of what Dan has shared here.

    I know the heavens are not sealed. Angels have been present in my own life as I strive to seek my Lord . Dan’s account is a witness to what the Prophet Joseph Smith shared here: “For where faith is, there will the knowledge of God be, also, with all things which pertain thereto: revelations, visions, and dreams, as well as every other necessary thing, so the possessors of faith may be perfected and obtain salvation”. (7th lecture on faith)
    I know that our Savior continues to minister to His saints today just like in ancient times. His promise that He will come to us is real. God is no respector or persons.
    ” And he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female..”
    2 Nephi 26:33

    I know without any doubt that the Savior did come to Dan just like he promised he would in the scriptures::
    “Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John.
    This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom”. D&C 88:3
    Dan was commanded to share these thing with us. It is up to each person is to find out from the Lord what it is he or she is to learn from Dan’s account and witness to help them on their journey to getting to know their Lord face to face.

    As a church we are under condemnation. We have strayed from the faith the Lord was trying to restore through the prophet Joseph Smith. Gentiles in the Book of Mormon are referring to us the latter day saints. Unfortunately all is not well in Zion. We need to repent and turn unto the Lord. Relying solely upon others including leaders for our salvation will not save us. “Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm”. 2 Nephi 4:34
    We need to each seek our connection to Heaven because “the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel; and he employeth no servant there..” 2 Nephi 9:41

    I’m very grateful that Dan felt to share his witness and for the gift I’ve had to believe.”To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful”. D&C46:14 His testimony has strengthened my faith tremendously.” Our Savior and Father live! Glory be unto them forever and ever.

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    1. Allen

      I appreciate your courage and testimony and the comments that have been made. Might I suggest that those who don’t think that this can happen take a different look at what we are taught. Do we have to wait to see Christ until the Battle of Armageddon? If so that might be a while and why would you have to wait. Consider a good study of Armageddon and Gog and Magog maybe their is a personal type symbolism there to discover. Maybe the real battle is within your own heart and when you can end that battle Christ will appear to you as a thief in the night and you can have your own personal witness and not have to wait. Look up Gog and Magog in TPJS. Dan is right you will not be perfect when he appears and you will not be perfect after and in some ways proving becomes harder but because of your witness it is easier to accept. I give no refrences but leave it to you to study and pray about and discover on your own.

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  52. Annalea

    Rodney, what you’re describing fits the description of the baptism of fire. 🙂 What a tremendous blessing!!! I’m so excited for you. 🙂

    Keep following the knowledge you’ve gained–that incredible, personal, inwardly communicated knowledge of Who & What God is. God IS love. God IS good! Even though you’ve felt consumed, this is not the pinnacle of what lies before you. Keep seeking. Keep listening. Keep loving. And you will find Jesus in very reality.

    You now posses something rare and wonderful–and you KNOW the difference between light & darkness. Let Him shine in you, and follow His directions in all things. Search the scriptures diligently. Devour them. Make them part of you. Make them as familiar as a favorite old movie you’ve seen a hundred times.

    There’s so much more I want to say–but writing this on a phone is kinda crazy. lol I just wanted to show support, to encourage you, and let you know you aren’t alone in your experience, because I’ve received that very thing, too. And I will praise God for the rest of my days for it! 🙂

    And now, I just pray you see this, somehow.

    God bless!!!

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  53. Annalea

    P.S.) For Fusion:

    If everything you listed is truly necessary for a person to see God, then Joseph Smith was the biggest charlatan of them all. And if that’s true, that invalidates the D&C passages you quoted. So it seems logical that your understanding of those passages must be incomplete. If God really does require a temple in order to reveal Himself to any person, then we also have a LOT of scripture that has problems; namely the major visions of Moses, Mahonri Moriancumur, and Joseph Smith, for starters. Oh, and Nephi. God can reveal Himself whenever and to whomever He wishes. It is only mercy that keeps Him from revealing Himself to those of us (myself included) who are as yet unprepared.

    Rest assured: there is a different meaning to those passages than the one you currently are chewing over.

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  54. G.D.

    ALVIN SMITH is an heir to the Celestial Kingdom of God. “All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God.” (D&C 137:7.)

    Why would the Founding Fathers demand their temple work be done? Temple work established through a prophet of God under the direction of the Lord. Ordinances required for qualification for entrance into the Kingdom of God. An outward sign of an inner commitment.

    Blessed are the pure in heart for they SHALL SEE GOD. Many pure in heart have died without having seen in person God, the Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ in the flesh. But God, who knows their pure hearts and intentions just as Alvin Smith’s will accept them according to their righteous desires and after their work has been done for them. That’s why we can look forward to the Millennium to finish the work day and night in the temples. To complete the Lord’s work for “mine house is a house of order”.

    I have seen this so many times before. The “Guru Syndrome”. So subtle as a serpent, so appealing, so “forget the mortal men who lead the Church, you don’t need them anymore, you’ve moved beyond them, come out here where I can show you more.”

    I know there’s some part of you that senses this deception and screams for you to run.

    Please brothers and sisters, read ALL of D&C 124 and other chapters cited concerning the temple and priesthood. The Lord wouldn’t ordain prophets to lead, teach, guide, restore, verify, testify whom the Lord WILL NOT permit to lead us astray so that we can tell them in a sense, “I’ve advanced past your authority/suggestions/counsel/warnings.”

    The Guru comes along with his/her testimony of Calling and Election and then what happens next? They tell you to stop trusting in the counsel/guidance of the leaders of the Church and to go over their heads seeking Christ because they are “only mere mortals”. The same prophet who is chosen and ordained to SPEAK FOR THE LORD as if it were from His own mouth.

    Satan did the same thing in pre-earth life. He challenged Heavenly Father’s authority. Satan wanted your allegiance as the reigning authority. He wanted Father’s power and throne. Now Satan uses Gurus to get you to ignore Priesthood authority and follow them and yes, he will use a little bit of truth which is that Jesus is the Christ if it means getting you to doubt and rebel against the General Authorities and question their counsel. The Lord will not allow the prophet to lead us astray as a Church, and as His Kingdom established upon the earth with all the saving ordinances necessary to qualify you to enter the Kingdom of God.

    Everyone will be given the chance to accept or reject the Gospel.

    Your eternal salvation does NOT depend on Calling and Election while still in your mortal body. Your eternal salvation depends upon the pureness of your heart and your willingness to REPENT, accept Jesus Christ, His Gospel, His Scriptures, His Prophets, His Church, His saving ordinances, as He has prescribed.

    No bother replying Daniel. I’ve taken on so many like you and, hopefully, have helped others not go down the road of apostasy.

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  55. Nathan

    Why the need to take someone on? If you come with truth, present it and it should stand on its own. What I sense coming from this comment G.D is fear. Fear from you (perhaps you are afraid He did in fact ask Dan to post this blog and that there really are dearly held false traditions you need to cast aside) and fear as a means to influence the author and readers of this blog. The notion that the thinking has been done and that we can be collectively saved by remaining mainstream in an institution hearkens back to a guarantee that was presented and rejected in a pre-mortal council long ago. There is a source to whom you can turn who will “cast out all fear”. Seek Him. We can INDIVIDUALLY work out our salvation with “fear and trembling” before Him. That seems to me to be the message and invitation of the blog.

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  56. Gary Gibson

    Reading this is like receiving pure light. It is discernible and it is sweet.

    The concept of unbelief is very powerful. My false beliefs are the things that are holding me back? Really? Wow. I better take care of that. I desire to receive angels. I had an experience with asking to be shown my unbelief. I was asked to put it on my blog.

    http://apatterninallthings.blogspot.com/

    Gary Gibson

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  57. Steven Bishop

    We believe all things, we hope all things. The Holy Ghost descended upon me in great measure this evening (It’s actually 2:15 a.m.). Daniel’s witness of Christ is true. I know it independent of him or any other person. Most important than his experience (since Daniel has been redeemed from the Fall), is that we can have this become a living, breathing reality for all of us that rend the veil of unbelief (as well) which doth cause us to remain in our awful state of wickedness, and hardness of heart, and blindness of mind. Notice that it is us that must rend the veil. (See Ether 4:13-16). When we do, the great and marvelous things which have been hid up shall be unfolded in the eyes of ALL the people (including us). Glory, and honor, and power and might, Be ascribed to our God; for he is full of mercy, Justice, grace and truth, and peace, Forever and ever, Amen.

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  58. Chris Harrison

    As I read about personal experiences with God and Jesus Christ I can’t ignore the impressions that come to me, which are: 1. God and Jesus Christ are real; 2. They are waiting to minister to us PERSONALLY; 3. There is an open invitation for all mankind to seek the face of the Lord. Why should we NOT believe testimonies of Jesus’ ministering to people? Why should we NOT believe that He will comfort us? My desire to seek more and learn more is only strengthened. Thank you, Daniel, for sharing your testimony and posting another marker for others (me) to follow in their (my) own journey. God is love. God is love.

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  59. Mike Forrest

    Hi Daniel,

    I just came across your Testimony recently among several others. I, like many who have posted above am in this process. As part of your testimony you state: “This is how in 2012, I found myself pleading for true messengers. That prayer led me to a book called The Second Comforter: Conversing with the Lord Through the Veil by Denver C. Snuffer Jr. I recognized The Second Comforter as a manual. I saw in it many experiences that I had already gone through. It was like a map. From reading it I saw where I had been on the path, where I was, and what else I could expect to experience. It was then a simple matter of pondering, identifying, and working on the areas I had identified.” My question is, what prompted you to plead for “True Messengers”? I was lead to Denver’s work after months of praying to know if anyone had seen Angels or the Savior in our day. But I am intrigued by why you sought “True Messengers”. Could you please elaborate on this? BTW – Thank you for sharing. I believe every word.

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    1. Daniel Rogers Post author

      The simple answer was that it was the result of realizing that “all is not well in Zion”. Religion is my hobby. I love learning about all sorts of religious ideas. After my mission I read up on all sorts of religions especially the LDS Church and Mormonism. I started noticing that things just didn’t seem to fit the way the manuals taught. Fruits were missing. There was a lot of ugliness in our history. I didn’t realize it at the time, but I was starting to figure out that there were beliefs I had that weren’t true — that the traditional narrative was incorrect. Starting in 2009, I spent time evaluating my political beliefs compared to the scriptures. From there I looked at what we taught on Sunday compared to what the Book of Mormon taught. There was a lot of conflicting doctrines. I was left confused because I had prior spiritual confirmations but I had learned some of the truths about our history and doctrine that didn’t seem to fit. I lacked wisdom.

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      1. Mike Forrest

        You are a person after my own heart. I’m now where you were at in 2009. I’m so happy for your Testimony and others like yours. Knowing the Lord is working individually among the LDS is thrilling to my soul! I am more committed than ever now that I can see a clear path and process. I’ve been praying for some time to know if there was a “process”. The Lord has answered my prayers. Thanks again.

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        1. Megan

          I’m with you, Mike. Maybe even a little behind. I was caught off guard by my beliefs not totally matching up, and I was hit with a real faith crisis where I questioned everything. Now I’m stuck where I think I feel what I believe deep down, but my brain gets in the way…does this make sense? How do I shut my brain off and feel again?

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  60. Steven Bishop

    Hi Daniel. I have a suggestion that would be best made privately. Please send me your contact info so that I may contact you. Thank you.

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    1. Daniel Rogers Post author

      You or anyone else is welcome to contact me at dan at thesecondcomforter.com (though I really don’t have much to offer).

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  61. Russell

    This account, and those that align themselves with it, make me quite nervous. I agree with GD that something is not right here. There is a lot of truth in Dan’s words but I also feel that there is error. This “handbook” that changed Dan’s life was written by someone who would later be excommunicated for apostasy. This is the first step on a slippery slope.

    Christ is our Savior. His church has been restored. There is a prophet that speaks for Him in our day. Do everything you can to be more like the Savior and to accept his Atonement in your life but don’t lose respect for those that He has called to guide His church or administer the ordinances of His Gospel. Beware of the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.

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    1. Michael

      Russell,

      Have you ever read about Helmuth Hübener? He was an LDS youth in Germany in early 1940s who resisted the Nazi Party. He, along with several other church members, were excommunicated from the LDS church for not supporting the Nazis. He was also subsequently executed by the Nazis, beheaded. About a decade later he posthumously had his blessings restored by the church.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_H%C3%BCbener

      You should be careful about automatically just assuming that if someone was excommunicated it was legitimate. When you say “There is a prophet that speaks for Him in our day,” what exactly does that mean?

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  62. Andi Angel

    To imply that Christ would or could only communicate with us lowly “nobodies” in the Church by trickling down His doctrine through the hierarchy is, in and of itself, a philosophy of men – and a very Catholic one, too, the idea that we can only approach deity through approved men.

    It has nothing to do with disrespecting Church leaders when we take Christ up on His universal invitation to have a PERSONAL relationship with Him. He said, “Come unto Me”, not “come unto My prophet”.

    The only reason it makes anyone nervous that the Lord has been working outside of our expectations of how He *should* work, is because we’ve built up our expectations on false ideas. The admonition to “Follow the Prophet” should rightly be rendered, “Follow the Prophet as he follows Christ”, because they don’t always have ALL the truth, being part of the “all” who fall prey to error and fall short of the glory of God.

    Spiritual growth is a line-upon-line process that every Church leader goes through just the same as every “lay” member. Prophets may have received many more lines than the rest of us, but we must cease in our persistent assumptions that they walk around in a constant stream of revelation every second of every day. Even Brigham Young admitted to never having met the Savior in person.

    To put the following of any Prophet as more important than following Christ Himself is nothing short of idolatry, and unfortunately, a good many members of our Church are unwittingly guilty of this.

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  63. Doug

    Thanks Dan I believe your testimony and genuinely appreciate your posting it. I come back and review it from time to time and it helps center me, as I struggle to become meek and teachable in seeking the Second Comforter.  

    Andi Angel I like your thoughts about the prophet and fallibility. For me it’s helpful to distinguish between doctrine and policy. I informally think of it this way: 

    Doctrines: the absolutes—e.g. the doctrine of Christ. Doctrine never changes; I look at it as the ‘whats’, or the no kidding requirements of what we need to do to gain exaltation. 

    Policy: the ‘hows’ that support the ‘whats’—the means of running the church. I believe the Lord doesn’t always care so much *how* we follow the ‘whats’ (e.g., D&C 58, let them bring their families to this land *as they counsel between themselves* and me). Policy also may be informed by mortal men’s understanding. Since the Lord does govern the church by mortal men, some biases are inevitable (I’m thinking of the church’s posting about race and priesthood and the role Brigham Young played in denying blacks the priesthood).   

    I believe questioning the prophet makes people uncomfortable when policy becomes confused with doctrine.   

    I agree with GD in that the single verse 24 should be taken in context. Otherwise, the logical conclusion to this line of thought is the church has been in general apostasy since Joseph Smith. This doesn’t ring true to me- but I can accept some blessings related to seeing the face of God (like the children of Israel) are being withheld due to unbelief.  

    Separating the prophet’s roles may also help. A major aspect of the prophet’s role is organizational—if the time comes to move to Jackson county MO or whatever, would the Lord individually inspire each person? No, His house is a house of order. Individually, I’ve always had the idea the prophet helps us in our efforts to come to Christ with the experience and inspiration at his disposal, not that he’s supposed to be an intermediary of some sort.

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    1. George

      There is an Elias (John) that will come to set in order the house of God and to come and restore all things. D&C 77:9,14; 85:7-8.

      In 77:9 the Lord says “And, if you will receive it this is Elias which was to come to gather the tribes of Israel and restore all things.” Why does he say “if you will receive it” if there will not be some confusion or opposition to this man?

      Remember that in the days of judgement the lord will clean up his own house first D&C 112:24-25. While the Lord’s house is a house of order it appears that this order will have to be restored creating confusion among a lot of the saints who have put their trust in man or made flesh their arm.

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  64. Margaret

    Daniel, it’s such a journey and I believe if one is willing, The Lord allows “bread crumbs” along the journey, like puzzle pieces, and they come together when we are ready and the picture becomes more clearer and more complete, I have experienced such a journey, starting with growing up with hypocrisy in high places in my ward and stake, that led me to believe that all is not as I would like to believe about those in authority-that we should not put our trust in the arm of flesh as we are told, and so it goes, as we truly pray, seek, and ask, we are given more to our understanding of how God deals with His people- I too was led to Denver’s book as I was striving to know all I could do to live a better life and to “step up” my spirituality. Interesting how prayers are answered sometimes in ways we least expect, and can be difficult for others to believe. This is the path it is true, The Lord will grant you what you ask. Thank you Dan for being so bold and sharing your experience, it gives me hope that I too may find myself able to part the veil and have the same experience as the Brother of Jared–I’m on the journey…

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  65. Mark

    Moroni 9:9 says that raped women are no longer chaste or virtuous. Mormons consider rape victims as chewed up gum and licked cupcakes.

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  66. Steven Bishop

    My Dear Brother Russell:

    If there is a principle that comes out of Daniel’s or Denver’s mouth (or anyone else for that matter) witnessed as truth by the Light of Christ within or by the power of the Holy Ghost to the human soul, then I get to adopt that specific item of truth, without condemning the whole. (Think of reading the newspaper or anything on the internet. If we find one thing that is untrue, do we altogether stop reading? No. We discard it and move on). It’s all about our intent. We are seeking for that which is true, not that which is untrue. “And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.” Book of Mormon, Moroni 7).
    So the ultimate responsibility for knowing truth rests with us each individually, a solemn and sobering realization indeed.
    My main point is this. Truth is truth, regardless if it even comes from a professed infidel. Brigham Young had this to say: “It is our duty and calling, as ministers of the same salvation and Gospel, to gather every item of truth and reject every error. Whether a truth be found with professed infidels, or with the Universalists, or the Church of Rome, or the Methodists, the Church of England, the Presbyterians, the Baptists, the Quakers, the Shakers, or any other of the various and numerous different sects and parties, all of whom have more or less truth, it is the business of the Elders of this Church (Jesus, their Elder Brother, being at their head) to gather up all the truths in the world pertaining to life and salvation, to the Gospel we preach, … to the sciences, and to philosophy, wherever it may be found in every nation, kindred, tongue, and people and bring it to Zion (DBY, 248). Our duty then is to seek, obtain and maintain the companionship of the Holy Ghost so that we may know whatever portion of truth is witnessed to us when we hear it, be it from a professed infidel (or even one who has been excommunicated).
    The other point I would make is this. If I believe a false witness and the resultant fruit of that false witness actually brings me nearer to Christ, wherein have I been wronged? We believe ALL things, we hope ALL things. “For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.” (Book of Mormon, Moroni 7)
    Hope this helps.
    Your Brother,
    –Steve

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  67. Miguel Angel Tinoco Rod-Tree-Jesse

    Zion and Jerusalem, December 8th 2014

    Dear Brother Dan,

    I have found you. Last night, in the visions of the night dream, I had an encounter with you. I went thru Ephraim by Jordan until I reached Damascus. Whether these locations are in Zion or in Jerusalem, I cannot tell. I was running errands for the Lord, delivering food to the saints from the bishop storehouse. Before your house, I went to the relief society president house. It appears I was driving a full size but tall and skinny van. When I entered your house, you were shivering and coughing, sitting by the dinner table on an armless chair and with a short blanket or covering on your shoulders. I immediately asked you if you were sick and you said yes, it appears that you were coming out of a cold that was refusing to let you go. I asked you if you needed a blessing and you immediately told me yes. I asked if a regular blessing or an anointing one. You said with oil, then you reached thru your vial, but I restrained you and told you that I had bought mine. I was surprised that you were an elder or had knowledge of anointing blessing because when I first knew you, you were not even a member of the church. All this time we were alone. As I prepared the anointing, you were conversing with me and told me that you had been sick since November 20th and waiting for me or for some one else. Then I anointed your bald head with much oil that it dripped down your forehead, as when we are at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. I pronounced the anointing blessing a little different than what we normally do it, or as we do it in the temple, only under proper authority in the name of Jesus Christ. The sealing part, was done under the normal priesthood authority, as when we give healing blessings. I rebuked whatever disease you had, and remember that I specifically blessed your family thru you, my eye were open during this part of the blessing, and I noticed that the room of your humble room was a bit crowded with your family. I perceived your wife and children with their eyes watered in solemnity by the words of the blessing. And I continued the blessing gazing long and dormant at the horizon as if I was singing a lovely song. When I came to my senses that I was giving you a blessing, I perceived your thoughts saying, I have waited for thy salvation oh Lord, then I replied yes, I also bless the dead withing you. As I finished, the blessing, for we were face to face, I heard great thunder and as I looked up to heaven, there was no roof for I saw the stars, and it was dark, suddenly, I saw great clouds of darkness hoovering above us ready to explode into a tempestuous storm. And there was excessive lightning, even great many veins of rumbling lighting condensing into a pillar of light some distance away, by mountains or hills. Everyone was looking at me as if I were some form of mighty prophet that invoked the powers of heaven and caused the storm to gather. I knew that it was the power of God at work. Then it begun to rain heavily, and not being able to divert the attention of people towards me, I feigned being afraid of lightning and saw you no more, then I went to look for cover, drove down the bus or van I had come from in, which wheel was taller than me, and returned to my family at a church event of some sort. And when I had located them, the dream ended. It was about 5:39 this morning.

    Then, in my first morning prayer, I prayed for Dan, my fiend, who lives in Damascus, who has is not, to my knowledge a member of our church. I always pray for the house of Israel every where. I seek for them with great compassion and diligence as if there is no tomorrow. For I am commanded to bless all the children of Israel wherever they may be found, even the outcast of Israel and the dispersed of Judah. Therefore, I follow every clue, every foot print, open every door and lift every stone until I find them. This morning, after my morning errands,,trying to dig into the matter, I went to the scriptures to search all I could about Dan, the prince, son of Jacob, his patriarchal blessing to find out who is the Dan Shea I anointed and blessed. And I have been searching until I found you.

    When I read your marvelous testimony above and felt the peace of all your responders, I noticed that some of them called you Dan, even though, I think, you never mentioned your name in the testimony of the second comforter. This is not a perfect knowledge, but I conclude that it was not my earthly friend who I blessed, but you. Call me crazy if you want for telling you my dream without even knowing you, but I think that this is the place to do it. I will publish it here, and try to copy my words to my own records, but you can unpublish them if you wish and if it is all rubbish to you, I will not blame you for discarding them. All I know, is that for better or for worse, my errand has been delivered, concluded, documented and registered. If by any chance you are sick today, I hope you will get better and if not, be assured my friend, that help will come soon. Take cover from the inclemency and insurgency of weather,, because it appear like it will rain. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

    Attentively Yours from an unworthy servant in the hands of Christ

    Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez Rod-Tree-Jesse TL

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    1. Daniel Rogers Post author

      Thanks. I have been recovering from a cold yesterday and today. I appreciate you sharing.

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  68. Miguel Angel Tinoco Rod-Tree-Jesse

    Hearken and lo, this is the voice as of one sent down from on high crying in the wilderness, who is mighty and powerful, whose voice is unto all men, and whose goings are to ends of the earth saying:

    Repent ye, repent ye and make the path of the Lord straight for the kingdom of heaven is nigh at hand. Repent ye,repent ye, and bring forth fruit meet for repentance, for nothing impure can dwell in the presence of God. And the ax is already laid at the footing of every tree, and every tree that does not bring forth good fruit, meet for repentance, will be hewn down and cast into the fire from whence no traveler returns.

    Thus saith the Lord: that which you hear in the wilderness is my voice, and my voice is.spirit, which you cannot see.. Verily I say unto you, that you will in no wise inherit the kingdom of heaven unless you exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the pharisees and the publicans among you not only in word but also in deeds. To those in good standing before God, angels and these witnesses, know your commission by the power of the Holy Ghost.

    I have sent you out to be the salt of the earth, but if the salt loses its flavor, with what shall the earth be salted. For if salt loses its flavor, it is good for nothing but to be cast out and be trodden under foot. You can testify that you have heard my voice and know my word.

    Now, you know the revelations and the source thereof in which it is written that you are sent to reprove the world for all their unrighteous deeds, even before kings, rulers and governors among all nations, kindred, tongues and peoples. The way has been prepared before you by my servant Gazelem who is fighting your battles, for the field is white and ready to harvest. You are also to fight manfully for your God. And in the preface of the book of commandments it is written that those who go forth bearing unto the world these tidings, to them, power is given to seal the incredulous and rebellious unto the day of burning when the wrath and indignation of God will be poured upon the world without measure. And after you have sealed the law and the testimony testimony, then comes wrath and indignation upon the people.

    But seek ye first to obtain the word of God and to set first your own houses in order as predicated in section 93’of the book of commandments for what the Lord says unto one, he says unto all. Knowing also, beforehand that the powers of hell.will combine against you, and that only thru disobedience to the commandments and the traditions of your fathers that are not correct, he, the evil one can have power to strip you of the truth and light that you have thus far received. Therefore, you have been commanded, saith the Lord, to rear your children in light and truth. And all light and truth forsakes that evil one.

    Beware of evil speaking against the Lord’s anointed. Try the spirits, for not all come from God. Some are of men and some are of devils. Be ye not deceived even by an angel of light. For many shall come in my name. By their fruits ye shall know them. A true prophet prophesies and the thing comes to pass. A true apostle testifies and stands by his God at all peril. And in most cases his testimony is rejected, he is scorned, marred and numbered with the infirm and with the transgressors and indicted on false charges and pretences, but God never abandons him. If they hated and persecuted his master, his followers will be hated and persecuted also.

    And now when the wind bloweth out of the south you say, there comes a shower, and so it is, ye hypocrites, ye know how to discern the sky, but you know not how to discern this time. Verily, verily, I say unto you, that you shall not see my face and know that I am until you say, blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord in the clouds of heaven. Even so. Amen.

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  69. Miguel Angel Tinoco Rod-Tree-Jesse

    Zion and Jerusalem December 9th 2014

    The charred part of a candle wick is nothing more than a smoking flax. A registered memoir of the events of this day.

    My job is not easy. I need a small break. It’s a dirty job, but somebody has to do it. I am sombedy that does the work that nobody wants to do such as internal affairs or the in-house dirty laundry, wolf  hunting and playing the hoolah hoo like live bait to catch a bad guy or making a fool out of myself to.beat evil branches at their own game.

    Every time I am given a top secret assignment, I am thrown into the pit on an uncharted scape plan on a need to know basis. I have changed identities too many times that I even forget who I am. I am sent like sheep in the midst of wolves with a lion mentality. It is hard to hunt those that sniff and snuff at you like a hearty meal.

    Have you heard of the phrase shoot first and aim later?

    It is an easy thing for a sharp shooter to aim first and then to shoot his mark.

    I am bored, so I exercise faith first, then shoot, then take a nap, watch a spirit offending movie, eat some sacramentak bread, drink some sacramental wine, as a drunkard of Ephraim, I do my errands half spiritually drunk, and then before I become sober, if needs be I sacrifice or repent, go to hell, do the time, work to pay the fine, check with my master to see if I can have my old job back, and if he has, I wait for the man to die, then ask if there is  another in line before me, if not, I am immediately hired back, and remeber the shot I took when I cut off rahab, and Lucifer fell as lightning from heaven.

    When I wake up from the druzz and get all fricked out by the waste and.wear, I put my index finger in my mouth, lift it to the check the direction of the wind. And if there is no rain,  I take a swift flight to search for my intended target and call the wayward arrow to hit it right in the bulls eye.  At times, the smart arrow keeps going, and going like the energizer bunny that I kill two or more birds with one single shot, proverbially and procedurely speaking.

    Sometimes in my folly I have shot myself because I am not a respecter of persons, nor do I allow my own fears or prejudices or familiar affinities to interfere with my heavenly commission and my divinely assigned work.

    I come from a line of decent, a branch or two of the house of Israel .At times, very wicked men that have ruled harshly and and wickedly their people. They have taken and usurped secular governments in bloodless and in  bloody rebellions and in coupe de etats. If you have heard of the Tinocos and the Zomozas, you have heard of me.

    IF I were to look at me, as look more stout than Eden Pastora and Fidel Castro on their worst days put together. There is no room on solid ground to number the souls that as a mighty querubin with a flaming sword, that under the direction of heaven and the permission of death, I have dispatched to the spirit worlds. My favorite meal is the sacrifice of rebellious and apostate souls leaving them neither root or branch. There is no point in having an unsheated sword, if you don’t intend to use it.

    Few and counted have been the shining lights in the midsts of my rachitic family line.  But when in righteousness, they have been notable in their deeds. One of them was viceroy of Egypt, and another one was the saviour of the world, also the last and the first of Spain chief political governors in the central American province of Honduras. AND another one was my grandpa who came from a much bitter yet humble branch of the malkiyahu tree.  He was a presidential night guard in the bottomless pit, that is my home country, another name for Honduras. I am the angel that ascends from the east or the bottomless Pit,  in whom there is laid much power and to whom by right and lineage belong the priesthood and the keys of the kingdom of God on earth.

    I am a direct descendant, partially from the house of Joseph and from the house or root of Jesse, thru Mulek, the surviving son of Zedekiah, king of Judah, who was brought for a wise purpose whose wisdom thereof, reminds with God.

    And in one occasion, my Grandpa, a mestizo like me,  armed and dangerous, spoted a man jumping the presidential house wall to visit a maid or concubine of his in the heat of the night. Grandpa arrested the fine looking young man on the grounds of breaking and entering and for immoral or unbecoming behavior or conduct. The man pleaded and  insisted that he was the president. My grandpa, a poor and unknown, dark and shadowy indigenous man, as the history noted,  did not know it, but in any case he may have told him, yeah right, I am the only living hair to the throne of king king David and a rightful would be heir to the throne of Israel with the Lord of Lords and the king of kings, even my Lord and saviour, Jesus Christ, the son of the living God.

    In any case, the president of Honduras, spent the night behind bars in the bartoline. By morning dew, the captain of the guards hastened and rebuked my Grandpa, calling him by name and saying: Tinoco, you are in serious trouble for what you did last night.

    Confident, as a poorly dressed dragon slayer knight, he told him. My captain, I was just doing my job. He then.was.escorted to the barracks to open the jail gate. When the president came out and had composed himself, he asked for my father’s name like the.Lord does thru the temple veil, and when he had delivered his name and report, the president shook his hand,  and told him, in a very familiar term to temple masons:  Tinoco, you are truly doing your job well.

    You want to know how I can do this and not miss my target? Because choice seer is my name, and the man with the ax my surname. I am not the shooter, just the arrow in the archer’s hand, a polished shaft in his quiver or an instrument in the hands of God, from heaven shoot out.

    IT is not my work, it is not my authority, nor my power, nor my will but the will of him who sent me. I learned my trade from a master wolf hunter. I was personally instructed by God the Father and the Lord Jesus Chirst until I was spoused with the principles they taught me as much as I am one with my one and only eternal wife. And he, my father, he knows the end from the beginning. They hired me and trained me to do their bidding, but only on special jobs when my particular skills are warranted, for I judge not by what my eyes see.and by my ears hear, but in righteousness. In fact, this is the name my father has given me, The Lord our Righteousness.

    I have a PRENTIVE verdict from the highest council of heaven against a the charred part of a candle wick put out. That is, Denver Snuffer. And a severing warning to each and  all his purported followers. This verdict,  is complete in harmony with the verdict of his excommunication but which differs in nature.

    If Denver Snuffer thinks that he is the one mighty and strong, my answer to him is, get thee behind me Satan for I am fisrt in war.

    Denver Snuffer made a sacred and solemn covenant with God and before angels and these witnesses. And God will not be.mocked. FIRST, he broke the covenant of the Holy Priesthood that cannot be violated or moved under severe and irrevocable penalties which state:

    “For whoso is faithful unto the obtaining these two priesthoods of which I have spoken, and the magnifying their calling, are sanctified by the Spirit unto the renewing of their bodies.

    They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God.

    And also all they who receive this priesthood receive me, saith the Lord; For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me;

    And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father;

    And he that receiveth my Father receiveth my Father’s kingdom; therefore all that my Father hath shall be given unto him.

    And this is according to the oath and covenant which belongeth to the priesthood.

    Therefore, all those who receive the priesthood, receive this oath and covenant of my Father, which he cannot break, neither can it be moved.

    But whoso breaketh this covenant after he hath received it, and altogether turneth therefrom, shall not have forgiveness of sins in this world nor in the world to come.”

    http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/84.33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41?lang=eng

    By rejecting the fullness of the priesthood and the appointed channels and stating that priesthood authority is not needed to regulate the affairs of the church and to conduct its ordinances for the salvation of the living and the dead, he has denied the Holy Ghost and therefore the truth of the faith he once professed in open rebellion and rejection to God and his duly called, appointed and authorized servants. He has therefore become a law unto himself, a lawless man and an anti-christ.

    SECOND, whether he understood it, took it seriously or not, he made a solemn covenant, under penalties and obligations, before God, angels and these  witnesses, out of his free will and choice, which he took, to obey the law of sacrifice, among others, and thereafter to avoid evil speaking of the Lord’s annointed; and also to consacrate, dedicate, and separate himslelf to build up the kingdom of God and for the establishment of Zion as recorded in the holy scriptures by consecrating himself, his gift and talents and his life if necessary, to sustain the kingdom of God on earth and the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And you all know that he broke them all and also lied to me, to the Holy Ghost and the holy spirit of promise.

    THIRD, He was counseled to cease and desist or to.SACRIFICE his worldly pursuits, but he sold his gifts for money by using his gift for evil purposes just like unto Judas Iscariot or any other apostate anti Christ,,by publishing for profit and authority and proper justification, evil speaking material agaisnt the Lord anointed from Joseph Smith to the ptesent time. This is not a mere disagreement on misunderstanding, but blatantly rebelled. In other words he took the place of the first born, or the right of Adan which is the office of Patriarch over the whole heart  which by right and leanage belongs to the oldest living spirit  under heaven.

    He, Denver Snuffer, instead of building faith and unity in the legally established kingdom of God under false pretences, having as cain, the perfect knowledge of greater light, as he so claims, instead of building up the kingdom of God and to establishing Zion, he has dishonored and contamitated or polluted the holy church of God by transfiguring the word of God to his own covetousness; and in so doing, he planted doubt, rebellion and dissent in the souls of many memebers and turned away dissenters of the kingdom of God.  This is blatant and perhaps irremisible treason worst than that of Alma, the son of Alma and the.sons of Mosiha and their friends before their conversion. 

    And It would have been better for Denver Snouffer at this juncture not to have been born, or to tie a rope to his neck and to jump from a bridge than to have offended a little one and lied to the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit of Promise during his anointing to which, in the spirit, I attended thru the hands and tempk  of the oficiator.

    But the devil in him has been detected, and even I, Michael, was almost deceived by an angel of light who caused me serious grievousness of mind and soul before the Lord. But since my testimony is planted in the rock of eternity, that is the foundation of living apostles and prophets, true and faithful messengers of Jesus Christ,  being Christ the chief corner stone, the gates of hell have tried to swallow me, but by the gift, grace and mercy of God the Father, and of his son, and of the Holy Ghost, hell hasn’t not prevailed agaist me.

    And by the power of the anointing in me and in him, that is Denver Snouffer, and the authority vested in me, I strip him from the holy priesthood and his endowment; and since he has apparently committed the umpaedonable sin, by lying to me and denying the Holy Ghost, I entrust him naked to the buffettings of Satan, from now until the the Judgement of the great day or the day of redemption.

    And since he is of the belief beyond authority, that no one has authority or needs the laying in of hands under proper authority to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, or any institutional authority for that matter, by the same token he is discharged and entrusted into darkness and to the bufftings of Saran, for before he is, the Lord of the whole earth says,  I AM.

    In other words all his blessings will implode as rain and lighting upon him and cause the exact opposite effect he hoped for and anticipated.

    And to all those who.have followed Denver Snuffer, and those that have apostatized like him, and his or their apoatate claims, and have supported his iniquity after being warned and couseled not to do so,  for which he was cut off from the church, must needs be to repent speedily and make ammends or face the fury of the ax man as it has been hitherto foretold. For to this end was I born, even to regulate the affairs of the church in humility and also to testify of the.divinity of Jesus Christ whose voice I have.heard and whose word I know. For he has said to me, even the least of my brethren:

    YOU CAN TESTIFY THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MY VOICE AND KNOW MY WORDS.

    And he that denies and contends against the words of God, inside or outside of the gate is a son of belial and is accursed before the Lord, for I bear witness that his voice sounds like the rolling tunder and like the rushing of many waters, of this I testify and bear record, for Lord has spoken it plainly unto us  and this is his word, saying:

    “And I, Jesus Christ, your Lord and your God, have spoken it.

    These words are not of men nor of man, but of me; wherefore, you shall testify they are of me and not of man; For it is my voice which speaketh them unto you; for they are given by my Spirit unto you, and by my power you can read them one to another; and save it were by my power you could not have them;

    Wherefore, you can testify that you have heard my voice, and know my words.”

    http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/18.33,34,35,36?lang=eng

    “And he that will contend against the word of the Lord, let him be accursed; and he that shall deny these things, let him be accursed; for unto them will I show no greater things, saith Jesus Christ; for I am he who speaketh.  

    And at my command the heavens are opened and are shut; and at my word the earth shall shake; and at my command the inhabitants thereof shall pass away, even so as by fire.  

    And he that believeth not my words believeth not my disciples; and if it so be that I do not speak, judge ye; for ye shall know that it is I that speaketh, at the last day.  

    But he that believeth these things which I have spoken, him will I visit with the manifestations of my Spirit, and he shall know and bear record.

    For because of my Spirit he shall know that these things are true; for it persuadeth men to do good.  And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of me; for good cometh of none save it be of me. I am the same that leadeth men to all good; he that will not believe my words will not believe me—that I am; and he that will not believe me will not believe the Father who sent me.

    For behold, I am the Father, I am the light, and the life, and the truth of the world. 

    Come unto me, O ye Gentiles, and I will show unto you the greater things, the knowledge which is hid up because of unbelief. 

    Come unto me, O ye house of Israel, and it shall be made manifest unto you how great things the Father hath laid up for you, from the foundation of the world; and it hath not come unto you, because of unbelief.

     Behold, when ye shall rend that veil of unbelief which doth cause you to remain in your awful state of wickedness, and hardness of heart, and blindness of mind, then shall the great and marvelous things which have been hid up from the foundation of the world from you—yea, when ye shall call upon the Father in my name, with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, then shall ye know that the Father hath remembered the covenant which he made unto your fathers, O house of Israel. 

    And then shall my revelations which I have caused to be written by my servant John be unfolded in the eyes of all the people. 

    Remember, when ye see these things, ye shall know that the time is at hand that they shall be made manifest in very deed. Therefore, when ye shall receive this record ye may know that the work of the Father has commenced upon all the face of the land.  

    Therefore, repent all ye ends of the earth, and come unto me, and believe in my gospel, and be baptized in my name; for he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned; and signs shall follow them that believe in my name. 

     And blessed is he that is found faithful unto my name at the last day, for he shall be lifted up to dwell in the kingdom prepared for him from the foundation of the world.

    And behold it is I that hath spoken it. Amen.”

    http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/4.8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19?lang=eng

    For if we do not live by the law we shall die by the law as recorded in the scriptures and the law of the church which is the kingdom of God upon the earth under which no flesh is exempt before God.  For without law there can be no order anytime or anywhere. And you must know also that the house of God is a house of God and not of confusion.  And here lies the salvation and condemnation of man.

    I have been blessed, called and anointed thru the proper channels to be a leader in the true knowledge of the affairs of the church, even to set the house of God in order if needs be. But the house of God and the church of God are two separate things. The church is the legal and I established institution of which I have no bearing or authority to meddle with. The priesthood leadership is dowing an awesome job with that.

    But the house of God is the people and their works and manner of living, their adherence to law and principle and that can only be regulated by God the Father in righteousness by the cepter of power thru the channeles of the literal seed and the patriarchal priesthood or one of the patriarchal seed who by lineage and ordination has the right of Adam, to represent him and occupy the right of the first born or the office of Ix-Miquili-Pantl which translated means, Michael the Archangel. Again the office of Patriarch over the whole earth in whose person God has put all parts of his very own name, even ELUGIM or ELOHIM which is one like unto God or as the name if mplies, MIGUEL OR MICHAEL backwards and in correctly arranged and/or transliterated.

    This power usually falls on the oldest living spirit under heaven or the presiding patriarch over the church which is the one and only, one mighty and strong in each generation of time and Eternity, the first of which ever is our heavenly father under whose authority I speak. And the first to occupy this office of Michael the Archangel in heaven to preside over the spirits and the human race was Adam or Michael. Then the next was Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Israel, Joseph all the way down and up to Joseph Smith Father, up until Joseph fielding Smith down and up to Eddy L Barillas and Morgan Bates to Me, the abominable of nations, the servant of servants, even, Miguel Angel surnamed Tinoco or Choice seer or the man with the Ax, which ever way you want to see it.

    I am a Mulekite, surnamed Rodriguez which is a continuous word that signifies a Rod out of the tree or stem of Jesse. As recorded in the book of Isaiah chapter 11 and in Doctrine and Covenants 113. Even the marred servant of Jesus Christ, our Lord, saviour and king of kngs.

    And who can dispute that I am a.walking rod that ignites when connected to the source of power. In other words, the very name, laws, commandments, statutes, justice and judgement of God are written in me like a walking burning bush or rod. I am always angry and full of the fury and the reprehension of the Lord, like  bull in a net.  Dare not to try to steady with unclean hands the living ark and oracles of God from where you as priests drain power.  Many have fallen swiftly, broken their neck, and been struck dead unawares. I can name names, but out of respect and to avoid given offense, I withhold. But some of you know.

    As a spirit, when the children of Isarael, rebelled agaist God and were feaeful to hear his own voice, he no longer could walk with them without destroying them,  for even Moses could any longer stand or see the face of God, but only his backward parts. And as a result, as his pesonal Secretary, the Lord gave me charge as his angel to direct and watch over the children of Israel to keep them in the right way, and to bring them to all their promised lands, but with this strict charge to Moses, to obey my voice and not to provoke me to anger or to rebell against me or else the priesthood will fight back at you, which is not an easy thing to bear. Of which it is written:

    “Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

    Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

    But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

    For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.”

    http://lds.org/scriptures/ot/ex/23.20,21,22,23?lang=eng

    “In all their afflictions he was afflicted. And the angel of his presence saved them; and in his love, and in his pity, he redeemed them, and bore them, and carried them all the days of old; Yea, and Enoch also, and they who were with him; the prophets who were before him; and Noah also, and they who were before him; and Moses also, and they who were before him; And from Moses to Elijah, and from Elijah to John, who were with Christ in his resurrection, and the holy apostles, with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, shall be in the presence of the Lamb. 

    And the graves of the saints shall be opened; and they shall come forth and stand on the right hand of the Lamb, when he shall stand upon Mount Zion, and upon the holy city, the New Jerusalem; and they shall sing the song of the Lamb, day and night forever and ever. And for this cause, that men might be made partakers of the glories which were to be revealed, the Lord sent forth the fulness of his gospel, his everlasting covenant, reasoning in plainness and simplicity To prepare the weak for those things which are coming on the earth, and for the Lord’s errand in the day when the weak shall confound the wise, and the little one become a strong nation, and two shall put their tens of thousands to flight.  And by the weak things of the earth the Lord shall thresh the nations by the power of his Spirit. And for this cause these commandments were given; they were commanded to be kept from the world in the day that they were given, but now are to go forth unto all flesh And this according to the mind and will of the Lord, who ruleth over all flesh. And unto him that repenteth and sanctifieth himself before the Lord shall be given eternal life.

     And upon them that hearken not to the voice of the Lord shall be fulfilled that which was written by the prophet Moses, that they should be cut off from among the people. And also that which was written by the prophet Malachi: For, behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

     Wherefore, this shall be the answer of the Lord unto them:

      In that day when I came unto mine own, no man among you received me, and you were driven out.  

    When I called again there was none of you to answer; yet my arm was not shortened at all that I could not redeem, neither my power to deliver. 

    Behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea. I make the rivers a wilderness; their fish stink, and die for thirst.  I clothe the heavens with blackness, and make sackcloth their covering. And this shall ye have of my hand—ye shall lie down in sorrow. 

    Behold, and lo, there are none to deliver you; for ye obeyed not my voice when I called to you out of the heavens; ye believed not my servants, and when they were sent unto you ye received them not. Wherefore, they sealed up the testimony and bound up the law, and ye were delivered over unto darkness.”

    http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/133.53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72?lang=eng 

    “Wherefore, a commandment I give unto you, to prepare and organize yourselves by a bond or everlasting covenant that cannot be broken. And he who breaketh it shall lose his office and standing in the church, and shall be delivered over to the buffetings of Satan until the day of redemption.

    Behold, this is the preparation wherewith I prepare you, and the foundation, and the ensample which I give unto you, whereby you may accomplish the commandments which are given you;

    That through my providence, notwithstanding the tribulation which shall descend upon you, that the church may stand independent above all other creatures beneath the celestial world;

    That you may come up unto the crown prepared for you, and be made rulers over many kingdoms, saith the Lord God, the Holy One of Zion, who hath established the foundations of Adam-ondi-Ahman;

    Who hath appointed Michael your prince, and established his feet, and set him upon high, and given unto him the keys of salvation under the counsel and direction of the Holy One, who is without beginning of days or end of life.

    Verily, verily, I say unto you, ye are little children, and ye have not as yet understood how great blessings the Father hath in his own hands and prepared for you;

    And ye cannot bear all things now; nevertheless, be of good cheer, for I will lead you along. The kingdom is yours and the blessings thereof are yours, and the riches of eternity are yours.”

    http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/78.11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18?lang=eng

    As you see, my sword is the word of God under the direction of the Holy One.who is without beginning of day or end of life, for gnolaun is my name. And even  though I speak much thru the word of God, no one has heard my voice in the streets, nor do I reveal anything new outside the proper channels, for I am not the Lord’s mouth piece, andb I  do not trespass my bounds. Or in other, words, despite  things I say, I don’t use my own mouth or voice.

    As a natural patriarch in Israel, and holding by right and linage, the right of first man, or by virtue of being the oldest spirit under heaven, I preside over all the spirits in my generation in this last dispensation. For it is written that the last shall be as the first and the first as the last.

    Therefore, with all due respect, Before George Washington is, I AM. You tread in my land or the land give by inheritance and Covenant to my fathers and I am here to partition and adjudicate the inheritance of the saint, yea, even of all those who are found written in the book of law of God and who has not lost their priesthood and  standing in the church. I am not here to change or to  do away with the law, or to take the place of God, the prophet or any other officer, but to make sure the law of God it is fulfilled, for I operate independently as would the church comptroller or internal affairs. And the only disorder I have encountered thus far is in individual disobedience to the commandments through the traditions of your fathers. Disorder in the accomplishment of delegated familiar and ecclesiastical duties that bring bondage of sin, much suffering and tribulations that I myself need to taste and endure to register, report and indicate how to fix by pointing out your errors and where and how to find the solutions in the scriptures, pretty  much like a serpent healer with the key of salvation.

    In some instances, many fall, are removed or replaced and others are planted in their instead.

    For no one comes to the Father of except thru the son, and no one comes to the son, except the Father gives the spirit or the verb or word of God.

    And even do I hold the three orders of priesthood and am prepared to officiate in their ordinances, without which the power of Godliness is not made manifest, and  the power thereof with their respective keys, independently speaking, I only have at present time right or authority to act with the authority of our father in heaven so not to interfere with the established secular or ecclesiastical authority of the church as long as they don’t interfere with mine. Because when they interfere with me, they interfere with the kingdom and order of heaven.

    And I am not implying anything, for I did not call myself. It is noted in my patriarchal blessing. I both honor and magnify my calling and election in the priesthood unto the power of deliverance. I have served, wasted and wearied my life in service to all even at a young age. I have helped flood the eqeth with truth.

    I have preached the gopsel of Elias, which  the gospel of salvation  to a great many people among the living and the dead, and before kings, governors and rulers in desguise like Abinadi and Samuel the lamanite, in public and in secret like Alma, Nephi, Jacob, King David, Amulek, Joseph Smith, Thomas S. Monson and the living Christ.

    I have not taken payment, financing or glory to myself other than ocassional boasting to stir your thoughts and influence your interest for good so that you investigate my claims and search the truth for yourselves.

    I never envisioned to attract any followers other than my current family and my dead ancestors. Nor have I sought a position in the church. In fact, I have burned many bridges to that end so that no one thinks of me that I am more than any other flesh.

    I am EITHER cold or hot. Neither am I behind an inch of the chiefest of the apostles in words testimony and deeds, for we all work for the same end, which is to try to assist God in his work and glory of bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.  I receive my commandments, and instructions by attending meetings at church and in the temples. And I don’t return and report until I have accomplished the thing or the burden of the Lord, for his words do not return to him empty.

    And because I am oft mis understood, I have been called a mad or wild man that prophesies. I have suffered much contempt, scorn and rejection and even incarceration. In defense of my testimony, like Joseph of old, I have been taken with violence and against my will, to the pit by my own brethren where I have been numbered with the infirm and with the transgressors. My personal character, credibility and life has been marred beyond repair.

    All have turned their back on me, including my own wife and children, I am a man with little or nothing to lose, and with great personal, temporary and spiritual necessities. But my arms have been made strong, by the hand of the almighty, who watches over me unto deliverance. I have fought like a dragon for my God entities human and animal alike from the unseen world too weird to do describe like a child in the wilderness.

    You all can refer to my patriarchal blessing where it is written that I will be a blessings to a great many people and be a leader to my children and to all my ancestors. Like Abraham, I am to be taken by the hand by the Lord in the paths of righteousness and where I cannot cross, he will carry me, for I am to be given Righteousness. He has instructed and cared for me from the beginning, because Satan knows who I am, that I will prove to be a not small disrurber of his kingdom. He has tried his utmost to destroy me from the beginning without any reservations or pretensions.

    Despite my weaknesses and disabilities, for I have suffered much when corrected by my own iniquity, I am am given charge to study the scriptures every day in order to teach all my children the gospel of Jesus Christ to the best of my abilities or face the wrath of God which is not an easy thing for me to endure either. And last but not least, I am on the Lord’s errand with power to write but not to speak which I must exercise as it was with Oliver Cowdery to bring hidden things unto light.

    I am a dreamer like my father Joseph also. The other night, I dreamed a dream that  Apostle Christopherson came to my lodging place, and he gave me a little book which appeared as a small set of silver plates. I saw the engravings, which characters and instructions I readily recognized as reforemed Egyptian. The instructions in between the sections of characters were in English or Spanish, which I could not read or decipher because I am not learned. But I took the book. And I had company with me that told  that I had made a direct hit. I know I was in the spirit world among the dead that were coming in and out of my lodging place. Some of which I dispatched away because they were crowding the place and I had personal businesses to attend to. I then lost track of the book and woke up wondering what it all meant. Until it is given me the interpretation thereof, I wait.

    These things I humbly record declare and record in earth and in heaven as one having authority under the proper channels, and I do it humbly and solemnly, in the presence of God, angels and these witnesses in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen.

    Attentively yours from an unworthy servant in the hands of Christ.

    Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez Rod-Tree-Jesse TL

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  70. Miguel Angel Tinoco Rod-Tree-Jesse

    Do you remember my dream? As the Lord said in my last post above, signs shall follow those that believe. Hereafter is the sign of the prophet Jonas.

    Zion and Jerusalem December 10th 2015

    Is this for la La Cosa Nostra?

    GOD the Father just made an offer that salt lake city idolatrous people, secular and, perhaps also a message to the ecclesiastical authorities of his own house to consider, a message or offer that no one can refuse. For it is written:

    Where the carcase is so are the vultures.

    Carcase of 25-ft Whale discovered by farmer near salt lake city.

    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/mysterious-remains-of-a-whale-found-in-a-field-in-utah/

    And after our testimony, comes wrath and indignation upon the people.

    As a thief in the night:

    Yes, it is the eve of winter, in North America, but the old and mysterious Honduras phenomenon of fish raining from the sky has baffled authorities in Salt Lake City. A large whale was found in a farmer’s field near the great salt lake.

    THEY HAVE NO CLUE AND THE LORD HAS SENT HIS SERVANT TO ENLIGHTEN THEM, a little.

    Imagine what I dreamed in the visions of the night dream a couple of nights ago.

    The rumbling thunder in a starry sky, then suddenly, the gathering of blackened clouds and webs of lightning codensing from East to West into a thick vortex that appeared like a pillar of lightning that shipped from the sea the carcase of a 25ft whale in a farm near the great salt lake. 

    In Honduras, in a municipality of the department of Yoro, every now and then live fish rain from the Yohoa Lake as a thief in the night, a naturally occurring phenomenon that have bafled the world and the press for over a century. And today I learned that it has also happened in Denmark.

    10 weird fact of science you may not know. NO,it is not the latter days ten plagues or the abomination that make desolate, no, hopefully, not yet.

    http://www.oddee.com/item_63950.aspx

    Whether it is a a sign from God, a naturally occurring phenomenon or the macabre message sent by the mafia to a corrupt and hypocritical city, the order of factors does not alter the product. GOD IS SPEAKING.all is required is Faith to listen.

    If the devine heavenly yet sensational theory does not hold, then, it is all the same.

    IT IS Definitely A DANITE SIGN OF Imminent DEATH.

    As those practiced by the cicilian family, la cosa nostra. Oh, come on, don’t tell youself you didn’t know? 

    Please let me enlighten you and unfold it unto you. For of this it is written:

    ” For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 

    For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 

    ¶Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

     And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  

    And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 

    Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 

     Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.  

    But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  

    Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

     But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

    Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.  

    Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?  

    Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.  Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

      But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;  And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

    http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/24.27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51?lang=eng

    ” Hearken ye, for, behold, the great day of the Lord is nigh at hand.

    For the day cometh that the Lord shall utter his voice out of heaven; the heavens shall shake and the earth shall tremble, and the trump of God shall sound both long and loud, and shall say to the sleeping nations: Ye saints arise and live; ye sinners stay and sleep until I shall call again.

    Wherefore gird up your loins lest ye be found among the wicked.

    Lift up your voices and spare not. Call upon the nations to repent, both old and young, both bond and free, saying: Prepare yourselves for the great day of the Lord;

    For if I, who am a man, do lift up my voice and call upon you to repent, and ye hate me, what will ye say when the day cometh when the thunders shall utter their voices from the ends of the earth, speaking to the ears of all that live, saying—Repent, and prepare for the great day of the Lord?

    Yea, and again, when the lightnings shall streak forth from the east unto the west, and shall utter forth their voices unto all that live, and make the ears of all tingle that hear, saying these words—Repent ye, for the great day of the Lord is come?

    And again, the Lord shall utter his voice out of heaven, saying:

    Hearken, O ye nations of the earth, and hear the words of that God who made you.

    O, ye nations of the earth, how often would I have gathered you together as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, but ye would not!

    How oft have I called upon you by the mouth of my servants, and by the ministering of angels, and by mine own voice, and by the voice of thunderings, and by the voice of lightnings, and by the voice of tempests, and by the voice of earthquakes, and great hailstorms, and by the voice of famines and pestilences of every kind, and by the great sound of a trump, and by the voice of judgment, and by the voice of mercy all the day long, and by the voice of glory and honor and the riches of eternal life, and would have saved you with an everlasting salvation, but ye would not! 26 Behold, the day has come, when the cup of the wrath of mine indignation is full.

    Behold, verily I say unto you, that these are the words of the Lord your God.

    http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/43.16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27?lang=eng

    “For not many days hence and the earth shall tremble and reel to and fro as a drunken man; and the sun shall hide his face, and shall refuse to give light; and the moon shall be bathed in blood; and the stars shall become exceedingly angry, and shall cast themselves down as a fig that falleth from off a fig tree.

    And after your testimony cometh wrath and indignation upon the people.

    For after your testimony cometh the testimony of earthquakes, that shall cause groanings in the midst of her, and men shall fall upon the ground and shall not be able to stand.

    And also cometh the testimony of the voice of thunderings, and the voice of lightnings, and the voice of tempests, and the voice of the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds.

    And all things shall be in commotion; and surely, men’s hearts shall fail them; for fear shall come upon all people.

    And angels shall fly through the midst of heaven, crying with a loud voice, sounding the trump of God, saying:

    Prepare ye, prepare ye, O inhabitants of the earth; for the judgment of our God is come.

    Behold, and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.”

    http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/88.87,88,89,90,91,92?lang=eng

    http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/112.23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34?lang=eng

    ” Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.

    Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

    And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;  First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.

    Therefore, see to it that ye trouble not yourselves concerning the affairs of my church in this place, saith the Lord.

    But purify your hearts before me; and then go ye into all the world, and preach my gospel unto every creature who has not received it; And he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, and he that believeth not, and is not baptized, shall be damned.

    For unto you, the Twelve, and those, the First Presidency, who are appointed with you to be your counselors and your leaders, is the power of this priesthood given, for the last days and for the last time, in the which is the dispensation of the fulness of times,

    Which power you hold, in connection with all those who have received a dispensation at any time from the beginning of the creation;

    For verily I say unto you, the keys of the dispensation, which ye have received, have come down from the fathers, and last of all, being sent down from heaven unto you.

    Verily I say unto you, behold how great is your calling. Cleanse your hearts and your garments, lest the blood of this generation be required at your hands.

    Be faithful until I come, for I come quickly; and my reward is with me to recompense every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

    These things I declare thru the word of God as one having authority, in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen.

    Attentively Yours from an unworthy servant in the hands of Christ

    Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez Rod-Tree-Jesse TL

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  71. Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

    “Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.”
    · Psalms 50:2

    http://agreatandmarvelouswork.blogspot.com/2014/12/out-of-zion-perfection-of-beauty-god.html

    Hi, Brother Bryan Jones,

    And all of you, honorable Members and leaders of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and the entire house of Israel, Mormon Fundamentalists, Progressive Fundamentalist Mormons, Ex-Mormons of all colors and apostates everywhere you may be found. Hear ye heavens and listen o Earth. Chose ye this day whom you will serve.

    In other words, hoist your colors high, and take a step forward if you are for the Lord Jesus Christ, our king, even the commander of the host of heaven and the squadrons of Israel or if you are for Belial and his host of dark angels…

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  72. Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

    TRUE Rescue Report to Captain Monson and friends

    Brian Jones, two days ago, Dec. 15th.

    Miguel,

    I have to say, you are the only one that could break me from my hypnosis from Denver Snuffer. I thank you and God for that. I am still weary from it and still must wake up from it. I feel I am in a spiritual limbo. Not to whom my allegiance is, but as to where I stand with Him.

    I served my mission in Argentina, but I don’t trust my Spanish well enough that I had to cheat in translating your words. I don’t know what to make of your message. I believe you are God’s servant. Are you the servant that is prophesied of from Isaiah? I’m unsure of your role with God. But I know you’ve helped me and have been very beneficial.

    -Bryan

    Miguel Tinoco reply to bryan, 1 day ago, Dec. 16th.

    I am glad, be all the glory to GOD, he is the one that got us together. Just give a little break, live today, fight another day, enjoy your family, gather your strength, but always feasting upon the word of God. One day you will break out from me or even the apostles and prophets and be planted directly on Christ and find your place In this whole thing. For i now you do play a VIP role In this too. I have seen It. Its a dirty war we are fighting. Just cannot explain it and it is more fun if you discover it yourself.

    Just imagine a great battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil in the middle of the ocean, high tide, seas which you helped to stir in order to set the stage for a colossal fight. There is where only two ships can go in a maelstrom with thousands of ships far away ready for battle from both sides. But as in old days, only two ships will fight in that strait and narrow bottomless pit maelstrom contest and you are In the good shipm We are both along with many others fighting with swords and cannons, afraid but having more fun than fear. The battle is won, the enemies are defeated, and there is one big problem. The two war ships got entangled by the mast because they got to close together in the maelstrom, and they have to free each other or both will go to the bottomless pit. And then you come with an idea, and fire a cannon with two balls tied together, to break us off by hitting the tip of the mast of each ship . the shot is successful, victory Is shouted,and the enemy ship is sinks into the pit.

    Having said that, we all have a part to play in heavenly Father’s plan. All wee need to be is worthy to play our part well. We are all the Lord’s toys. my part I believe is like woody’s, the cowboy character of toy story, or rodney the fix guy who never to gives up on his friends. We are all in this together.

    “I love you; I pray for you. I would ask once again that you would remember me and all the General Authorities in your prayers. We are one with you in moving forward this marvelous work. I testify to you that we are all in this together and that every man, woman, and child has a part to play. May God give us the strength and the ability and the determination to play our part well.”

    Thomas S. Monson

    Now this is what happened. I went to your house, before I wrote the last two scripts. You were a bit afraid or scared because I came too strong and I had told you that you would die, and you thought I would literally kill you. You tried to grab a screw driver just in case to defend yourself from me, but I grabbed It from you saying, give me that,f or I did not know what you were going to do with it. But I was merely a doctor, and the killing instrument was my pen. And the actual words I used was, this is going to hurt a little. You were on a bed and I was seating on a desk by It. And then I grabbed my pen and suddenly inserted it on your left leg. Then the dream ended. It appeared that I was going to write on your soul, because I spent a lot of royal ink on you. It was a Weird dream. But It was like an immunization or an antidote against Denver Snakes poison. Then the next day, as soon as I woke up, I read your email to which I replied. I wrote your article in which is called, out of Zion the perfection of Beauty, the Lord Shined, where I disguised everyone, you, me, the apostles, the prophet Joseph Smith and the twelve apostles as pirates. This, I did to confuse the enemy and make the message more enjoyable. Only after I had finished, a day after, I learned that Jesus and Joseph Smith had been right by my side.
    As far as your questions, I only have clues. I have a patriarchal blesssing, and about seven or 9 Personal revelations that are not all that clear to me yet. I cannot talk about it, just imply it. Time will tell.
    But I know I will be a leader in the affairs of the church at a young age which I have to administer with humility before God. That i will have many enemies that I will make shake and tremble like Nephi, fot they will see that I speak with the authority of our father In heaven, that the devil will do his utmost to kill me, that I will work in many temples, that I will bless many handicapped, that I will show the way to a great many people, that I must write, that I will lead my family, all my ancestors, my children. That I will travel and testify of the divinity of Jesus Christ, and thread in holy places, be honored and in humility by multitudes, and that I will be given righteousness, and when I die, the whole house of israel will surround me and shout praises and great hossanas of welcome.

    So far, I am hated by many and I feel like Nephi when he was about to build the boat and got sad because his bretheren refuse to help him and thought he had no judgement, or that he was crazy like father Lehi.
    I am poor lamanite, with little or no formal education. I learned English by the scriptures. I am disdisabled, for partial physical and paertial mental iinfirmities because I worked myself nearly to death. All I have is a generous spirit, and a fine mind and body to serve God. For the world I am no good. My brethren cast me into the pit thrice, for saying that I heare the voice of God and preaching hell fire. I then ended up in jail for about a month for a purported crime that I did not commit, but even if had, I would have been released in just three days. I have never been convicted of any crime that I know of, but my moral character, my reoutation and credibility has been marred as a result that I struggle to make ends meet and survive.

    If only I could tell you of my conversion and the fights that I am going through. I can only depend on God at this time. I am happy, the grace and peace of God sustains me day by day, but I don’t smile much for the spirit of God keeps me angry, like bull in a net.

    I cannot say much about myself but a whole lot about God. I preach from morning to eve. I have about 9 Blogs in 2 languages and about 500 published articles of about 20 illustrated pages each. I don’t think I don’t plan what to say, it is given to me the very hour. And the difference with other bloggers is that it is free and I do it all in the name of Jesus Christ. So my words are binding upon my soul and the souls to whom it is addressed whether they read them or not. Then, comes wrath upon the people. In other words I shoot to make a kill with live revelation or ammunition. I am threshing the nations thru the word and the spirit of God.

    You know that some are helped.

    I am here to cause a great division amongst the people as an

    instrument or servant in the hands of Christ.

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  73. Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

    NOW brethren, wake up to a sense of your awful situation. walk the talk, produce results. When I say, Hoist your colors High I mean it. Show your allegiances this day. You are either with us or against us. Mutiny against Jesus Christ, his true church, his appointed leadership even if they are rotten cockroaches is sudden death. If you don’t like them, exceed their righteousness, but dont’t let excessive light blind you as the ancient Jews or Israelites, and you go by every wind of false doctrine beyond the mark. We either live by the law or die by the law. This boat we are all in is going to Zion and from there to the celestial kingdom, but we may make a stop by the port of hell and the telestial kingdom, as feared by some apostates, but not that it is our final destination, but just to drop some filthy travelers there. It all depends which law you are living. My compass tells me that we are heading for Zion on high tides.

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  74. Lynne McKinley

    Man, I’ve seen post coment sections hijacked before but this last one takes the cake. Dude, get an outlet.

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  75. Vaughn

    Man, Miguel, I agree with Lynne. Go get your own blog or something.

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  76. JB

    Thank you G.D. For your comment! Exactly how I was feeling. This is sign seeking and is not in line with church doctrine and the words of our living prophets, despite the scriptures and truths found therein. This is the philosophies of men mingled with scripture. I too can testify that Jesus Christ lives, though I have not met him personally. I testify that The word of God constitutes the Holy Ghost, the words of the Living prophets and the scriptures.

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    1. DJS

      Not sure how you can say this. Signs follow those that believe. https://www.lds.org/topics/signs?lang=eng

      Even though these are topics little discussed by the General Authorities today doesn’t make them any less true. I’m not sure why they don’t anymore, therefore leading members to not seek or believe these greater blessings. Today for some reason they only want us to look to them, but this was not always the case. On lds.org you have to go back 30 plus years to find these teachings, but they are there. Please don’t disbelieve because you were not taught this or heard of it. The whole temple IS this doctrine.

      https://www.lds.org/ensign/1977/05/the-light-of-christ?lang=eng

      https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/07/accepted-of-the-lord-the-doctrine-of-making-your-calling-and-election-sure?lang=eng

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  77. Gary Gibson

    I’m glad I came today to grab the text. I am easily distracted and I need constant reminders.

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  78. Coward

    For those that say c&e is not spoken over pulpit today: this is incorrect. It is sometimes spoken in conference however recall conference is for the least of the saints so you need to pay extra attention

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